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Who when he steps onto the field the opposing D will pretty much know it's a running play. LOL

Great point! But that goes hand in hand with the notion that NYS has been chasing those very businesses, while ensuring that others never come, due to their ridiculously high taxes. In short, file under never going to happen.

Keeps the Bills in WNY. Seems to me that the options always were, based upon Pegula's indirect statements and implications, a moderately priced stadium in OP since the state & county are essentially paying for it and Kim said that they weren't paying for it, or the team moving. There are already reasonble objections to the amount of public funding going into it. Imagine if it were another $500M to $1B. If that were mostly public my guess is that it would be enough to sink the whole project. Anyone that wanted more should write to Terry and take it up with him. He's the one that made this decision and who will make any future decisions that will impact the future location of the team. He could sell it next month if he wanted to and get as much as he could with the new owner moving it elsewhere. He could also spend his money to see it get done. He should on his knees thanking the state and people of NYS for their share of funding. It'll be fine, if they ever actually iron out this never-ending list of details and approvals. A retractable roof would be better, but the concourses, as with all other modern stadiums, will be a lot roomier and able to accommodate a whole lot more people moving and milling around.

I'd like to see them put as much into the O as they've put into the D for a change. First three rounds all O. Fill in with FAcy as needed. Let's see how we can do with a good OL. I'd like to see what Allen can do with an above-average OL and some time to think before he has to anticipate taking off most of the time.

Having said that, out-of-town Bills bars or even bars in Buffalo are also just as much fun full of fans.

LMAO To me the tailgate is just as integral a part of it as the game is. I don't think I've ever gone to a Bills game w/o tailgating, home or away. IMO there's no better tailgating experience as there is in Buffalo. That's why I didn't want to see a downtown stadium, IMO the tailgating would have forever vaporized as we've known it. Other reasons too, such as traffic would be far worse than it is now. It's smack on the lake effect ground zero. ... not to open that debate, just my irrelevant preferences. LOL I think that most Bills fans feel similarly towards their tailgating. I have friends that prefer to go into the club levels hours ahead and sit there, but I wouldn't choose that unless perhaps the weather was absolutely miserable or something.

It'll definitely be more modern. All the modern stadiums are similar in that regard. At the current stadium you feel like Spinal Tap walking around in those hallways in that Cleveland high school when you're walking through the concourses. Meanwhile, you have to navigate the drunks as if it's a game of Frogger.

OK, so what? You're still spinning here. We still gave up 33 points and 481 yards, 334 passing and 147 rushing on about 6 YPC. So because of what you said that's good or excusable? Stay focused on what the crux of our disagreement is.

In terms of ranking I mean. In the 11 games that Von Miller played we allowed an average 15.8 PA and 327 Total Yards per-game. In the 5 games w/o Von Miller, we allowed an average of 17.4 PA and 301 Total Yards-per-game. 5 of the 6 worst Yards-Against games were with Von Miller on the field. 3 of the 4 and 8 of the 10 worst Points-Against games were with Von Miller on the field. Our defense went south after the first two games after which time we allowed an average of 19.2 PPG and 334 yards-per-game. That latter yardage figure would have been good for 15th, tied with Indy. We only played three top-10 scoring or yardage teams all season outside the division. Miami was 6th ranked in yards but 11th in points. Against those three teams we allowed an average of 26 points and 398 yards. There was a massive overreaction after we beat the Rams and Titans in weeks 1 & 2, two teams thought to be good but which ended up being hot trash. You can spin things anyway you want, but at the end of the day we allowed fewer yards and did not surrender significantly more points w/ Von Miller out. We also went 5-0, we were 8-3 with him in there. Other than KC, Von Miller did all but literally nothing in the two games against the other two top-10 offenses. It's odd, because he was so much better with the higher-percentage shorter stuff in 2021. He's very bright, I thought he would take that development into this past season, but he regressed. I still say that it was the lack of Beasley, our most popular player. LOL

You're cherry-picking stats. Against KC & Cinci the past three games in the playoffs our defense has absolutely stunk. We still gave up 24 offensive against Miami with Skylar Thompson. I don't see how that happens with a #2 D in the playoffs under any circumstances at home with the energy the fans brought.

What, that they didn't play well against a crap offensive team? Even, if not particularly, the front-7. You mentioned the secondary's issues primarily. Von Miller was out for most of the season. Didn't seem to impact games against similar offenses during the regular season. By last season I meant the 2021 season. Happy to hear an explanation.

And Miami with Thompson? And last season?

We're two different teams, one in the playoffs, one during the regular season. I'm curious why everyone thinks why that would be the case.

re: 1) Well, I suppose, but back to my points, a wasted opportunity to do what? Spend more money and provide a few more things for Buffalonians? Because again, if it's an opportunity to "draw people" for conferences or whatever, that's not going to happen. If it's the State investing in Buffalo, also not going to happen. It hasn't happened for decades and that's not about to change. They only put money into Albany and NYC. I guess I'm not understanding specifically, and within factual parameters, which "opportunity" we're missing out on other than some more choices for locals. The whole thing reminds me of that ridiculous Fast Ferry that Rochester did. Same there, they told us that once it was there that Ontarians would flock to Rochester for the shopping and experiences. LMAO That's not too far off of what we're talking about here. You have to remember, that if these things were lucrative, private investors would be lining up to do them. That's not the case nearly to the extent that it is elsewhere. At the end of the day it's all economics and the economics all revolve around taxes. What would you propose tho, specifically? re: 2) Yeah, I know, I was also responding generally to some other posts. But this "bars and restaurants ..." thing is ridiculous. Building more and more things to attract people simply doesn't work when your taxes are as high as NYS' are. 3) Per above, what do you think it would do? How would you envision it unfolding? ... As for me, I was against a downtown stadium. It would have altered the tailgating permanently, and not in a good way. Parking garages would have been necessary and tailgating in them would be nonexistent. The ingress/egress would be ridiculous. A few feet of snow would be far worse than it is at OP. Going to games wouldn't be the same, not in a good way. The appeal for many Bills fans is the tailgating, which is equally important as the game. If it meant just showing up and going to the game, I think I'd rather just watch it at home or at a Bills bar and eat and drink what I want in perfect comfort. A lot of people think that way. I'm not quite sure what those that preferred a downtown stadium have a realistic picture of how it would actually be. They seem to try to transplant downtown stadiums in other cities into Buffalo, but we can't do that. Those cities are so much different than ours. I would be in favor of having a roof that closed, if for no other reason than to keep it closed until gamedays. If it snows 3 ft. then at least the seats are covered in snow and need to be cleared out. If it's too miserably cold or crappy outside, close the roof, otherwise, open it on gamedays. We're all just pissing into the wind here. LOL Let's face it, we're lucky to even have a team still. Buffalo is by far the smallest financially and economically sized NFL city in the league. Smaller that Cincinnati even by a significant amount. IMO Pegula is the last Buffalo Bills owner that we'll have. Even he has said that it's all about the money first. If it works, then he'll stick around. i.e., he's essentially said if we build it then he'll come. There's a reason why he said he won't sign a lease extension at the current stadium until he sees a formalized Stadium Agreement.

Look, it's naive to think that dropping a stadium downtown is going to all of a sudden get the state to start "investing" in Buffalo. It just is. I mean what's the basis for it besides wishful thinking. There is none if were going to be honest. Buffalo will never be a hotspot for "conventions." Larger conventions are held in either nice weather cities or cities where there are a ton of things to do downtown. "Bars, shopping, and restaurants" are in every city, and Canalside isn't that kind of large enough of a draw. Look at the cities that host them, them compare them to Buffalo, even with a downtown stadium if you prefer. There's no comparison. Secondly, they require significant hotel s and public transportation. Buffalo doesn't stack up there either. Look, we love it, it's our region, were know it's hidden secrets, things that you can't find anywhere else, but those aren't going to draw masses from around the country compared to immediately available in the surrounding area in other cities. As to stadium economics, the only studies that indicate that these stadiums "pay for themselves" are thrown up without any proof by politicians, developers, and others with self-interests in seeing them built. There isn't a credible economist anywhere that will even remotely back up that notion. They cost, they don't pay. But people believe what they want, again, in their self interests. People avoid them, but here are the facts. Buffalo is a shrinking city, the people born here leave once they finish school in large measure. The regional population is being sustained by immigration, not the good kind. Sure there are some great things going on in the region. But "bars, restaurants, and shopping" are hardly unique to the region. Taxes are crazy high with services for them light. So many people already come from well outside the immediate region for games. The new pricing structure will price many locals out. Many have even said so here. As for me, it's a matter of principle that I would never pay for a PSL, I don't care what it's for. So I guess it's secondary market for me. Full disclosure, I'm no longer a STH anyway since I moved to far away to attend most games. It's been secondary market anyway. But I've read, that the new pricing model takes this into account, and they're planning that the ticket agencies will be buying many tix and the PSLs, which I find to be disappointing. I hope it's not true. Anyway, Buffalo will never be the hotbed of economic activity that many seem to think it will be, regardless of what they build. The single biggest impediment is the high taxes. That's what's driven both people and businesses away to begin with. Trying to lure them back with a stadium to look at, bars, restaurants, and breweries, which exist everywhere else too, isn't going to happen. Canalside and a few other things aren't going to cut it, not by a longshot. The fact of the matter is that we're simply lucky to still have a team. There are many other places that an owner could move this team and instantly increase its value. I'll say it again, if we didn't currently have a team, the chances of us getting one would be slim to nil. We would never make the short list for consideration for a team moving or for an expansion team. I get it, we all love this region, it's truly "home" for many of us. I regret not being able to live in WNY today, now, but it is what it is. To pretend that it's not doesn't change anything. I've also noticed that the biggest believers in a downtown stadium are locals. I'm also speculating that most of them have never lived outside of Buffalo in another metro area for any extended period of time. The few that I know haven't. If they did, perhaps that would provide a different perspective. Just sayin'. Don't know about that. According to their survey we can expect ticket prices to double or so. That doesn't include the PSLs. I guess if resellers don't mind losing money. They'll sell according to demand. With a healthy Allen demand is high. Without a healthy Allen, ... ?

That's my big thing, the tailgating experience would be permanently changed. I think it's going to drastically change anyway, although not as much as with a downtown stadium. Some have pointed out tho that the NFL wants to change our tailgating experience. i.e., get rid of the "lowbrow" attendees and Carter more towards the white collar crowd. Get rid of the table-jumping and dubious shenanigans that pop up on social media, and the drunkenness, etc. They argue that PSLs and twice the pricing for tix so will do that. The crazy higher prices will probably help achieve that, but I suppose it's moot to the possibility of a downtown stadium.

If they do release him, the only two players remaining from Beane's 2018 Draft would be Allen & Taron Johnson. Otherwise, if they do release him, we won't miss him. He's entirely expendable. He takes just a few defensive snaps per game, 0 in over half, and his contributions on STs have been negligible.

Well, I guess we'll find out soon enough. But our OL was far from cutting it in the playoffs. I think our fanbase puts to much emphasis on the regular season as opposed to in the playoffs. Someone else started a thread about meeting expectations, in which I pointed out that opinions will vary depending upon what each person's expectation is. Many fans seem to only care about a winning season and entertaining football. Others won't be satisfied until we win a Championship. If that never happens with Allen here, it will be beyond unfortunate. I'm not sure I see that happening with this dumpster-diving OL we have after Dawkins & Morse. As to what they like, I don't trust their likes. Remember, McD was all-in on Peterman, one of the worst QBs to ever suit up in a Bills uniform. They liked Lotulolei, Addison, Murphy, Butler and a bunch of others too. Remember, we're where we are because of Beane's miscues in prior drafts. It's his draft picks that are playing horribly in the playoffs. You and I can argue over whether or not we're satisfied, but that much is true. This coming season will tell us more. I'm not assuming a division championship again tho. We'll have to earn it, more this year than in prior years.

Depth? We need above-average starters. Morse was average at best this past season and is old for a C, he's also had 6 concussions. Dawkins is fine but the rest were mediocre overall at best. IMO, Beane and McD are sealing their own fate by not going strong OT/OG/C at 27th. Doesn't matter if it's a slight reach out not. And that player had better be plug-n-play ready. And they still need to pick up a couple of FAs that are better than what we have.

A valid point. For some reason fans don't seem to understand that when you have so many needs, trading down is also not wise. Beane's gotta finally hit one outta the park here. His career will be impacted one way or another pending this Draft. McD's will be too. The Jets beat us once and made the other close, only losing because they have no QB. Imagine Rodgers showing up. Miami, despite us having owned them from '19 to '21, beat us once and played us close twice, to the wire both times, once with a ***** QB. NE simply won't die and go away. Perceptions will turn on a dime if we don't win the division, or if we can't get past KC or Cinci, and possibly a much better coaches Jax now, in the playoffs. It'd be a dark day if we lost in the playoffs to Miami or a lesser team. Unfortunately due to faulty roster management we cannot afford to draft a S before late on day-3.

Lots 😂 emojis, but don't laugh to hard. 😅

What's funny is when a player leaves, then typically "he sucked anyway, was overrated" along with anything else entirely contradicting the approved narrative otherwise. LOL THEN all of a sudden and out of nowhere all of his weaknesses come to light. It is a sight to behold. 😂

I think what he's saying is that he enjoys it when people get so outraged or even bothered by something so insignificant or inconsequential. I'm not sure that I would phrase it the same, but it certainly is something of entertainment value when so many people get woke offended by something as trivial as this.

LOL Indeed What's funny is that the same people talk about him not finding open targets, particularly in the high-percentage short game, which is legitimately something that he needs to work on, and which is a huge part of every top QBs game, but which Rodgers and Burrow do regularly. Allen's athleticism, brains, and ability to make something out of nothing are his biggest assets. It's not as if he has no weaknesses right now. Imagine what people here would be saying if Allen had Lazard, Cobb, and two rookies as his targets as WRs. I'm not sure that any one of them is as good as Davis despite Davis' down year.