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34:00 minute mark? If so, doesn't appear that he ever got a foot on the ball. LOL Another at 1:41:00 ... 12 yards, second of the game he said.

Not sure that's really fair between Edmunds and Milano though. MIlano only came to be top-end the past two years, at the age of 27/28, and in his 5th & 6th seasons. Edmunds came on too in his 5th this past season, but at the age of 24. He's barely into his prime. That's the problem with drafting players that are 20. He was the youngest player in the league in his rookie season. I think we'll see a much better Edmunds in Chicago this season. IMO they should have found a way to keep him, particularly since they just drafted over Knox whom they just extended at high cost. I'm actually wondering if Beane is going to try to trade Knox now. Unfortunately those reasons have rarely panned out the way he intended. It took both Milano and Edmunds four seasons to develop. Beane doesn't have four seasons to wait, especially if Kincaid doesn't turn into an immediate impact player.

Beane traded down for 6 total picks so that he wouldn't have been the only GM in Bills' history to have only 5 picks.

I don't recall. I have no idea BTW, just asking the question. I mean we drafted this WR Shorter from Florida that everyone's going bonkers over, but in addition to him and numerous others on the roster, I don't know where they're all going to fit. You only need so many STs WRs, eh. We'll see. On a tangent though, our OL could be much better of Torrence is the real thing and McGovern is as they say. Bates can play C if Morse gets hurt, Dawkins is solid despite some being down on him, so if Brown can step up, particularly with four other decent OL-men next to him, if Dorsey can avoid f'ing things up then we could very well have the #1 offense. I don't have the same hopes for our D, but having the top offense or even a well-balanced #2 would be great.

We don't know that yet, even if true, I'm sure it'd be a big drop off from Milano to a rookie. More concerned about the other starting positions tho. Milano has no significant injury history.

There a lot of WRs on the team now. Which won't make it? Diggs, Davis, & Shakir will be there. Just signed Hasty & Sherfield. Two TEs, one supposedly playing slot now.

That's right, good point, we don't know what to expect. But we can at least use last season's info for a guide. Only three of our WRs/TEs had more than 42 catches, only one had more than 48. The fourth one, McKenzie, had 42. After him, 10, 8, 6, 4. We have Diggs, Davis, Shakir, Hasty, Sherfield, Knox, and Kincaid. Knox is getting a bundle too, it's doubtful that he'll be relegated to backup status, and he shouldn't be until if/when Kincaid proves to be the better TE. Either way, a good exercise would be dividing on or about those 270 catches amongst our 7 receivers.

I saw your thread, I thought it was good. I reacted favorably to it. As to the above, I was referring to the stuff that gets put out in the media, and by people that posters here have cited as "draft experts." To your point however, we don't know what teams come up with, but I'm sure that many disagree with the publicly put forth experts. We'll simply never know. I was referring to what most fans say about players, obviously they're picking 99% of it up from them, and they generally all agree with one another, at least to one extent or another. I mean it's ridiculous to think that anyone posting here did hundreds of hours of research on a whole bunch of players just for kicks and giggles. They're getting their info from somewhere however. And there's a reason why Kincaid didn't attend the combine, and it's not all because of his back.

I don't mind Kincaid, to me it seemed to be more of luxury pick however and I never would have traded up for for it, especially not at the cost of a 4th. I have no idea what Beane was thinking. In total after all of his trades we moved up those two spots but down 160 elsewhere total. It was bizarre. Again, we're now six drafts into Beane's team. We'll see how things turn out this fall. But again, if it's on the short end, the tough questions need to start being answered. If we win the Super Bowl, then great, everyone's happy. LOL

I know you do. Do you mind my asking however, what do you base that on, beside the script draft profiles, which are all essentially the same? Or is that it? We'll see. Allow me to ask, what are your expectations for Kincaid this fall?

Pro scouting typically mimics one another. That's why you rarely if ever hear one or more lone voices out there going against the flow. Consider, to properly evaluate a player, you have to spend a few hours going over video and then looking at other info. Say 4 hours of video, that's even customized for that player's plays, then a few hours looking over info from other sources as well. There's what, 400-ish players in the Draft, right. That's months of work even if you did only 100 players. A team could break it down by person on their staff and only choose the players that they think they're interested in, right. But you also have to hope that everyone doing the evaluating knew what to look for as well. Simply because people get paid to do something, doesn't mean that they're truly "experts" or actually know what they're doing, contrary to passing snide comments here or elsewhere. Consider, does Belichick know what he's doing as GM? Clearly not. How about Whaley, was he an expert? How about Jerry Jones, Matt Millen, or Vinny Cerrato? Are they experts? You get the point. Same for coaching BTW. To me, it makes more sense to get copies of the games that players played that were the toughest, featured the most talent that will be going on to the NFL, and big games. I'll PM you my analysis of Kincaid. You won't like it, but I'll send it to you to see what I'm talking about. And no, I did not use video for him.

You can call the school and ask for a disc (or whatever video format) for a particularly player's plays in any or all games. They'll happily send them if you're a media member. FWIW I'd have been just as happy with Mayer.

LOL Ahhh, but will they hold the fort down.

Yeah, experience is one thing, ability to hold the fort as a starter is different. There's absolutely nothing to suggest that anyone after Milano is starting LB material. It's concerning to be sure. And what if Milano were to get injured? Yikes!!

That USC game for Kincaid was the regular season game vs. USC. In the PAC-12 CG he had 4 catches for 40 yards, no TDs, and was the fifth leading receiver on the team and the 9th leading receiver in the game. Thanks!! That seems to elude so many. Taking a "best" game would be no different than taking a "worst" game. The entire body of work needs to be considered, as do opponents, both team and individual, etc. That's why I'm not as excited as others about Kincaid. His biggest games were against some of the worst pass-Ds in the NCAA, and one of which against Southern Utah, a crappy FCS team. Not to mention, the PAC-12 isn't noted for its defenses, to understate it.

So is anyone starting next to him, at least until further notice. I'm absurdly concerned about our LB unit. If Milano goes down I'd envision us being a complete defensive hot mess. On the flip side, and assuming that the OL antes up as it should, our offense has the potential to be a powerhouse and rival for #1. I suspect that our D will be quite average however which would cost us in the playoffs.

Well, the implications certainly are there. Also, perhaps not making an effort to hammer me rather than actually have a discussion would help. And BTW, you've put some words in my mouth too. I realize that we're not all in agreement here, but discussion is part of it all. I just love how all the optimists are 100% right tho all the time. BTW, given your deference towards paid experts, you did imply that, I added more to that last post, but I'll repeat it. I'll leave it for you on these two dots as to how to connect them to whereever you wish. ... here's what he said about Ed Oliver; He's going to be a nightmare for teams to deal with. That was a good one. I guess he wasn't wrong. He's a nightmare alright. LOL And according to Jeremiah Epenesa was the "Best Value Pick" in round 2 in 2020. Boy, he's got a real handle on collegiate talent. LOL

OK LOL I'm sure we could review his "top-10s" in past years and find some interesting things. You willing to hitch your cred to his rankings now are ya. LOL You're funny. At least I leave open the possibility that players can beat the odds. Apparently everyone that doesn't pencil him in as the next Gronk doesn't know what they're talking about. ... LMAO ... here's what he said about Ed Oliver; He's going to be a nightmare for teams to deal with. That was a good one. I guess he wasn't wrong. He's a nightmare alright. LOL And according to Jeremiah Epenesa was the "Best Value Pick" in round 2 in 2020. Boy, he's got a real handle on collegiate talent. LOL

BTW, Andrews has been Baltimore's primary receiving threat since he's been on the team essentially. They've never had any good WRs since he's been there. Just sayin'. I can see why not. LOL

LOL, it's fun indeed. But insofar as we go, if anyone is not deserving of any benefits of the doubt, it's Beane. As with you, I'm miffed that we took Cook over Dean. I'm not particularly upset with the Kincaid pick, but only because Torrence fell to us in round 2 and no real ILB/MLB was available. But the existing state of the team/roster, now after six drafts, clearly befalls Beane. Meanwhile, things like the signings of forecasts of impact play by Sherfield and Hasty are interesting given the drafting of Kincaid. So many receivers now and so few balls, namely one, to go around. Last season only one of our receivers had more than 48 catches. Only three had more than 42. Do all of those players (Diggs, Davis, Shakir, Hasty, Sherfield, Knox, and Kincaid) all make the roster? Last season all 7 of our non-RB receivers caught a total of 270 balls. Assuming that Diggs gets his normal 110-120, thatw ould leave about 150 for the other 6 such receivers. (WRs and TEs) I'm just curious where those go.

A bad look? So you think that keeping a player like that as a backup was a solid move then? ... if that ends up happening. Because that's your implication. I'm not sure that's a good look, but call me crazy. LOL

This entire thread is going to be fun to save and revisit. I realize that euphoria runs high this time of year, but some of these expectations and predictions ... LOL

Hopefully Allen's elbow is fully healed, word was that he couldn't throw those short passes very well as a result. Just sayin'.

500 yards on 10 YPR (slot) is 50 catches. Only one player on our team last season caught 50+ balls. Only 3 caught more than 42. Unless Knox is replaced by Kincaid, not sure I see him getting 50+ catches or even close. And if he does replace Knox, then is it OK to question why Beane just signed Knox to a $52M contract while letting Edmunds go? Asking for a friend.

And funny tho, isn't it, that quite a few people here are suggesting nearly that. I think that people should pump the brakes and consider that he didn't exactly load up on stats against players that will end up being starters in the NFL. IMO it's a good thing he skipped the combine, despite it being for his back. And Beane doesn't have time. This is his sixth year product, if we can't win the division and at least advance to the Conference Championship Game, the tough questions need to start being asked, and both fans and media will at least begin to cascade down on them.