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Right!!

Also, part of the problem overall was that SDPD was also covering up on behalf of SDSU so as not to impugn the school during that great season they had, and regardless of whodunit, which turned out to be a few third-rate non-scholie players. That didn't help Araiza's situation either. Otherwise, just another example of how the women are automatically believed out of the gate ala "me too." The fact that this girl was underage at a college frat party suggests that she wasn't as naive as she made out to be.

[Chuckle] Go Bills!!!

Read your statement again. On order for an argument, debate, thesis, or anything, to be objective, what is a minimal requirement? We'll, since you've chosen that approach, id equally suggest that anyone not understanding the value of continuity and chemistry between QBs and OLs would equally "have to be the biggest moron on the planet." That's without even touching on the coaching concept. 🙂

He was your typical 3-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust type. Reliable to get a short-yardage 1st-down, but never a threat to take it to the house type.

Makes sense! Lawrence coming on too though. As to this ... Largely unrelated, my very first thought upon reading that was that the same exact thing could be said about our "top-ranked" defenses.

Agree with your post. I would also add that Mahomes, Herbert, and Lawrence all have their differences as well. I also have no idea why Hurts has been mentioned in this conversation, he's done absolutely nothing from a passing perspective that puts him in the same class as the aforementioned. He's a running QB, without that he's an incredibly average passer. Lawrence, after escaping Meyer's hell and coming on strong last season looks positioned to join them. IMO it's great that they're all in the AFC. Our job, if we want to be better, then be better. Draft better, coach better, utilize our players better, make better on-field decisions, make better halftime adjustments, etc. If we can do that, great, if not, oh well.

Thank you!! To add to what you wrote, Burrow's third season playoff performances are not as good as Allen's third season playoff performances. So at a developmental level he wasn't where Allen was, insofar as playoff performance goes at least, at that time. You do realize that your analysis is all but entirely subjective, right? Just pointing that out.

JuJu, Kelce, ... meh. Easy there Festus. I didn't say he would suck, I said he wouldn't be as good and I meant it marginally. He'd still be great, I doubt he'd have won a SB here. He'd be carrying McD & Beane the same as Allen now is. Coaching, OL, and while you tout our "top-ranked defense," it played like a bottom-ranked defense in the playoffs generally speaking. I've laid that out statistically several times here, although understood if you haven't seen it. Then of course coaching, unless you're comparing Reid to McD that is. Look, I'm not one of these people in a dick-measuring competition with the other NFL teams over who has the best QB. As I see it they're all different and do things that the others don't do. IMO the differences between them is one of the more intriguing aspects of the game, much as Marino and Kelly were different, or Marino and Young for example. If all QBs were identical in terms of style of play, how boring would that be. And frankly, one can win a SB without a top-ranked QB if the other areas of the team are solid. Kelly was by no means the best QB in the league back in his day, although he was in the top bunch. But our [truly] great D with Bruce, whom we have nothing even remotely resembling right now, and others, our OL then blows our OL today away whereas so does KC's OL today blow ours away, and very good but hardly superlative WRs and TEs, and yet we went to the SB despite not winning one, which again, IMO was due to coaching. Put Parcells, Gibbs, or Johnson on the Bills back then, and Levy on their teams, and we'd be 2-2 or even 3-1 in SBs and we wouldn't all have Championship envy. Mahomes is good, but to suggest that all of the other elements that helped the Chiefs win SBs were irrelevant after him is ludicrous. And frankly, if he would have been just as good here, then why haven't we even made a SB with Allen? At the same time, put Allen on KC over the same period and IMO he's got his ring already. Allen's hardly significantly worse, in fact, consider all of the games we've won specifically due to his rushing, and often when our own RBs were worthless. Could Mahomes do that? I doubt it. But more importantly, why is it necessary on our team, for our QB to run that much that is ... part of my point.

No, just advising that I've seen in print that it's now 2027. Sorry, I don't, I didn't save them, the articles that is. It was one of the county people that was quoted as having said it. I don't live in Erie County anymore and haven't for years, so I don't even follow the names of the politicians. I wish I could be more helpful. Frankly I don't care, not to be an ass, but it is what it is and what it will be. Debating it isn't going to alter the date by an hour one way or another. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't bet money on that it's available for games three years from now. Again, they were claiming open in 2026 when the construction was clearly to have begun. But back to my original point, and let's assume 2026, Allen will be 30. That fixes that. LOL Parking's going to be a PITA for at least three seasons, and when the new stadium opens there's still going to be "destruction" on the old site which won't be available for parking for at least one season then. I don't know if ECC allows parking, but if so, I think what'd I'd do is park on the opposite side of ECC and walk over from there. It's going to be a nightmare, particularly this season. I may look into going to road games instead until this nightmare is finished. We travel so well anyway, it'll probably be worse (for our opponents) for a few years now. LOL

Yeah, that's the party-line, but the reality is that they were saying that when construction was supposed to begin nearly a year ago by the time it does. As augie says, or at least implies, expect delays. I was merely saying what's been reported otherwise. It's in their interest to keep people as interested as possible for PSL income.

BTW, here's a timeline piece in the BN. https://buffalonews.com/news/local/a-timeline-of-the-new-buffalo-bills-stadium-deal/article_d1252c88-eaa2-11ed-a114-8beedb569797.html Sounds as if the stadium will be open to the public, perhaps to help sell PSLs and STs, but not ready for play until 2027. That's not the piece that I saw it in, but that's one.

The most recent piece said it was opening now in 2027, that was after the County signed off. Also, the clauses allowing for lease extensions, as a series of 1-year extensions, have provisions through 2028. We have to remember, the estimate for 2026 was made when they said that the digging and construction was supposed to have begun during last season. That obviously didn't happen, and has been pushed 8 or 9 months, so 2027 sounds quite reasonable. If you're interested, look for the recent articles about the County signing off, I saw it in at least two places.

And on that note, it's a good thing that elbow's healed. They wanted to make sure that Brown got something, even if only a participation ribbon. Gotta encourage the youngster.

Barry Sanders would be incredible in any days game. Instead of a RB, I'd love to see Ballard, Wolford, Hull, and Ritcher on our OL. Allen would be so much more relaxed and better at passing.

Boy, that's a very interesting proposition. I wouldn't have thought of that. I'll search it for attendance when I have a little time. I hadn't thought of that, but that makes sense, particularly since the stadium opens and Allen's first season will be when he's 31.

Presumably you mean the violence of the game on the field? ... and yes, I would agree with you on that aspect. That even continued into the '90s and I hated nothing more than players that deliberately tried to injure or hurt other players. Siragusa was like that for the Ravens, couldn't stand the guy.

Smart move! I'm quite content with secondaries, particularly since I live out of town. It should be interesting, and the comments here as well.

I am happy as well, but obviously disappointed when our seasons end as they have. I'm of the mind that I don't mind losing, as long as we play our best, and we haven't done that. I realize that I'm hardly alone there. I'm better at losing to a great team, which is why the Super Bowl loss to the Skins didn't bother me as much as the other three did. And in case it wasn't obvious, I've very analytical, by nature, education, and occupation. LOL I'm always looking at what's preventing things, anything really, businesses etc., from being much more efficient and optimally run. Then looking at the reasons why and causes, then making any corrections that align with that. There are always ways to improve. So I have those two aspects of me that are conflicting. I've toned down insofar as the Bills go over the years though. My criticisms come from my analytical nature wanting to improve and optimize the team's play. LOL I miss the days of my youth where I merely watched football and got excited to see the games. Then again, the game seemed to be much simpler back then. I still stand by the notion that the best era of football was the '70s and '80s

Definitely bigger and I agree that he's more explosive, but he doesn't strike me as being faster. Singletary's shiftier too. His best games were against us, which is why I'm guessing that they liked him, a little blindered vision there IMO. Also a disproportionate number of his rushing TDs were against us. In about 10% of his games he posted 25% of his TDs. Against all other teams besides us he's averaged only 4.4 ypc which is very average. Singletary's yards-from-scrimmage are nearly twice what Harris' are. IMO we're going to miss Singletary. I don't see Harris being anymore than a low-end starting caliber RB. If I had to compare him to one of our past RBs, the one that comes to mind is Antowain Smith. I suspect that they're planning on using Cook as the 3-down starter, how he fares in that role remains to be seen. The most carries he's ever gotten in a season is 113 at Georgia. The most carries he's ever seen in a game is 14, last season vs. the Pats.

As CA OC said, there's been mention of them, typically in interviews, by team people, I don't recall, but probably Raccuia, stating that those were in the ballpark. We should know definitively soon. The whole process will be quite interesting as will the fan feedback. Yeah, it'll be quite interesting for sure. Someone in this thread already mentioned lowers moving up to maintain their game budgets, which will put the sqeeze on those in those seats currently. The whole thing sounds kinda messy, but it is what it is. Agree with you tho, particularly on the improved crowd. Hope so anyway. And hopefully walking from the tailgate location to the gates won't be like walking thru skid-row. In other news, Allen will be 31 when the new stadium opens.

No, I think that's right, but remember, they don't pull those numbers out of thin air. They seem to have supported them since then. We should find out soon. It's in the interests of both the team and fans to release them, open up sales, and give fans as much time as possible to pay for those PSLs over the few years it will take the stadium to be built. I'm with you, I only do secondary market anymore. Between the whacky weekend weather and flex games now, it's too risky to plan that far ahead, I even buy mine after the game gets locked in schedule wise. I'd rather pay a little more and be certain. We travel so well that road games are good options too. Anyway, Jets that survey, was in an article by Tim Graham in The Atlantic exactly a year ago. ---- Location: Upper level between 15-yard line and the end zone Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $990 One-time PSL: $2,100 Location: Lower level between 15-yard line and end zone Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,730 One-time PSL: $3,950 Location: Mezzanine level end zone Coverage: Significant Heating: None Annual price per seat: $900 One-time PSL: $1,150 Location: Lower level between 40- and 20-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,900 One-time PSL: $4,850 Location: Mezzanine level between 25-yard line and end zone Coverage: Significant Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,580 One-time PSL: $3,200 Location: Upper level between 40-yard lines Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $990 One-time PSL: $2,600 Location: Upper level end zone Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $750 One-time PSL: $750 Location: Field level enhanced end zone Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,580 One-time PSL: $3,950 Location: Mezzanine level between 40-yard lines Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Annual price per seat: $2,080 One-time PSL: $5,950 Location: Mezzanine level end zone Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Annual price per seat: $820 One-time PSL: $2,100 Location: Lower level enhanced end zone Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,090 One-time PSL: $2,600 Location: Upper level between 40- and 15-yard lines Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $990 One-time PSL: $1,400 Location: Mezzanine level corner Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Annual price per seat: $1,090 One-time PSL: $1,750 Location: Upper level between 15-yard line and end zone Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $990 One-time PSL: $2,100 Location: Lower level corner Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,440 One-time PSL: $3,950 Location: Mezzanine level between 40- and 25-yard lines Coverage: Significant Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,440 One-time PSL: $4,850 Location: Upper level between 40- and 15-yard lines Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $990 One-time PSL: $2,100 Location: Lower level between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $2,280 One-time PSL: $9,000 Location: Mezzanine level between the 40-yard lines Coverage: Significant Heating: None Annual price per seat: $2,280 One-time PSL: $4,850 Location: Upper level end zone Coverage: Moderate, canopy overhead Heating: None Annual price per seat: $750 One-time PSL: $600 Location: Lower level between 25- and 15-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $2,080 One-time PSL: $5,950 Location: Upper level between 40-yard lines Coverage: Minimal, roof canopy-adjacent Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,190 One-time PSL: $2,100 Location: Mezzanine level between 25-yard line and end zone Coverage: Significant Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,310 One-time PSL: $4,850 Location: Lower level end zone Coverage: None Heating: None Annual price per seat: $1,190 One-time PSL: $1,750 Individual premium seating options Location: Mezzanine-level club seat between 40- and 25-yard lines Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $2,800 One-time PSL: $11,200 Location: Mezzanine-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: Significant Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $4,000 One-time PSL: $20,000 Location: Lower-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $4,350 One-time PSL: $13,600 Location: Lower field-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $5,050 One-time PSL: $13,600 Location: Lower-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $5,350 One-time PSL: $9,200 Location: Mezzanine-level club seat between 40- and 25-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $2,800 One-time PSL: $11,200 Location: Mezzanine-level club seat between 10-yard line and end zone Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $2,400 One-time PSL: $5,150 Location: Lower field-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $6,050 One-time PSL: $24,250 Location: Lower-level club suite between 40- and 25-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $4,500 One-time PSL: $13,600 Location: Mezzanine-level club suite between 25- and 10-yard lines Coverage: Significant Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $3,000 One-time PSL: $6,250 Location: Lower-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $4,350 One-time PSL: $11,200 Location: Mezzanine-level club seat between 40-yard lines Coverage: None Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price per seat: $4,500 One-time PSL: $20,000 Suite seating options Location: Sideline executive suite Number of seats: 16 Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $198,150 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level living-room box in corner Number of seats: Four Coverage: Significant Heating: None Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $75,150 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level loge box on sideline Number of seats: Four Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $54,000 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level loge box on sideline Number of seats: Four Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $60,250 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level mini suite on sideline Number of seats: Eight Coverage: Enclosed Heating: Climate-controlled Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $103,450 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level owner’s suite on center sideline Number of seats: 16 Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price: $347,700 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level owner’s suite on center sideline Number of seats: 16 Coverage: Enclosed Heating: Climate-controlled Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $214,150 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level loge box on corner Number of seats: Four Coverage: Significant Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price: $63,250 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level living-room box on corner Number of seats: Four Coverage: Significant Heating: None Food and beverage: A la carte Annual price: $63,250 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level executive suite on sideline Number of seats: 16 Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $267,700 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level mini suite on sideline Number of seats: Eight Coverage: Enclosed Heating: Climate-controlled Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $77,100 One-time PSL: Not required Location: Suite-level living-room box on sideline Number of seats: Four Coverage: Significant Heating: Above seats Food and beverage: All-inclusive Annual price: $60,250 One-time PSL: Not required

They released them in that survey that they sent out, what now, maybe 18 months ago or so. They seem to have stuck to those in subsequent releases of info.

Our general level of player talent isn't above-average. Cincy's is. I'd say 8-10 for Cincy. Chiefs I'd say 7-9. It's all guesswork, as you imply, but how would we move the ball w/o Allen? It's rhetorical.

LB is the most interesting position battle from now 'til the season starts.