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I know you do. Do you mind my asking however, what do you base that on, beside the script draft profiles, which are all essentially the same? Or is that it? We'll see. Allow me to ask, what are your expectations for Kincaid this fall?

Pro scouting typically mimics one another. That's why you rarely if ever hear one or more lone voices out there going against the flow. Consider, to properly evaluate a player, you have to spend a few hours going over video and then looking at other info. Say 4 hours of video, that's even customized for that player's plays, then a few hours looking over info from other sources as well. There's what, 400-ish players in the Draft, right. That's months of work even if you did only 100 players. A team could break it down by person on their staff and only choose the players that they think they're interested in, right. But you also have to hope that everyone doing the evaluating knew what to look for as well. Simply because people get paid to do something, doesn't mean that they're truly "experts" or actually know what they're doing, contrary to passing snide comments here or elsewhere. Consider, does Belichick know what he's doing as GM? Clearly not. How about Whaley, was he an expert? How about Jerry Jones, Matt Millen, or Vinny Cerrato? Are they experts? You get the point. Same for coaching BTW. To me, it makes more sense to get copies of the games that players played that were the toughest, featured the most talent that will be going on to the NFL, and big games. I'll PM you my analysis of Kincaid. You won't like it, but I'll send it to you to see what I'm talking about. And no, I did not use video for him.

You can call the school and ask for a disc (or whatever video format) for a particularly player's plays in any or all games. They'll happily send them if you're a media member. FWIW I'd have been just as happy with Mayer.

LOL Ahhh, but will they hold the fort down.

Yeah, experience is one thing, ability to hold the fort as a starter is different. There's absolutely nothing to suggest that anyone after Milano is starting LB material. It's concerning to be sure. And what if Milano were to get injured? Yikes!!

That USC game for Kincaid was the regular season game vs. USC. In the PAC-12 CG he had 4 catches for 40 yards, no TDs, and was the fifth leading receiver on the team and the 9th leading receiver in the game. Thanks!! That seems to elude so many. Taking a "best" game would be no different than taking a "worst" game. The entire body of work needs to be considered, as do opponents, both team and individual, etc. That's why I'm not as excited as others about Kincaid. His biggest games were against some of the worst pass-Ds in the NCAA, and one of which against Southern Utah, a crappy FCS team. Not to mention, the PAC-12 isn't noted for its defenses, to understate it.

So is anyone starting next to him, at least until further notice. I'm absurdly concerned about our LB unit. If Milano goes down I'd envision us being a complete defensive hot mess. On the flip side, and assuming that the OL antes up as it should, our offense has the potential to be a powerhouse and rival for #1. I suspect that our D will be quite average however which would cost us in the playoffs.

Well, the implications certainly are there. Also, perhaps not making an effort to hammer me rather than actually have a discussion would help. And BTW, you've put some words in my mouth too. I realize that we're not all in agreement here, but discussion is part of it all. I just love how all the optimists are 100% right tho all the time. BTW, given your deference towards paid experts, you did imply that, I added more to that last post, but I'll repeat it. I'll leave it for you on these two dots as to how to connect them to whereever you wish. ... here's what he said about Ed Oliver; He's going to be a nightmare for teams to deal with. That was a good one. I guess he wasn't wrong. He's a nightmare alright. LOL And according to Jeremiah Epenesa was the "Best Value Pick" in round 2 in 2020. Boy, he's got a real handle on collegiate talent. LOL

OK LOL I'm sure we could review his "top-10s" in past years and find some interesting things. You willing to hitch your cred to his rankings now are ya. LOL You're funny. At least I leave open the possibility that players can beat the odds. Apparently everyone that doesn't pencil him in as the next Gronk doesn't know what they're talking about. ... LMAO ... here's what he said about Ed Oliver; He's going to be a nightmare for teams to deal with. That was a good one. I guess he wasn't wrong. He's a nightmare alright. LOL And according to Jeremiah Epenesa was the "Best Value Pick" in round 2 in 2020. Boy, he's got a real handle on collegiate talent. LOL

BTW, Andrews has been Baltimore's primary receiving threat since he's been on the team essentially. They've never had any good WRs since he's been there. Just sayin'. I can see why not. LOL

LOL, it's fun indeed. But insofar as we go, if anyone is not deserving of any benefits of the doubt, it's Beane. As with you, I'm miffed that we took Cook over Dean. I'm not particularly upset with the Kincaid pick, but only because Torrence fell to us in round 2 and no real ILB/MLB was available. But the existing state of the team/roster, now after six drafts, clearly befalls Beane. Meanwhile, things like the signings of forecasts of impact play by Sherfield and Hasty are interesting given the drafting of Kincaid. So many receivers now and so few balls, namely one, to go around. Last season only one of our receivers had more than 48 catches. Only three had more than 42. Do all of those players (Diggs, Davis, Shakir, Hasty, Sherfield, Knox, and Kincaid) all make the roster? Last season all 7 of our non-RB receivers caught a total of 270 balls. Assuming that Diggs gets his normal 110-120, thatw ould leave about 150 for the other 6 such receivers. (WRs and TEs) I'm just curious where those go.

A bad look? So you think that keeping a player like that as a backup was a solid move then? ... if that ends up happening. Because that's your implication. I'm not sure that's a good look, but call me crazy. LOL

This entire thread is going to be fun to save and revisit. I realize that euphoria runs high this time of year, but some of these expectations and predictions ... LOL

Hopefully Allen's elbow is fully healed, word was that he couldn't throw those short passes very well as a result. Just sayin'.

500 yards on 10 YPR (slot) is 50 catches. Only one player on our team last season caught 50+ balls. Only 3 caught more than 42. Unless Knox is replaced by Kincaid, not sure I see him getting 50+ catches or even close. And if he does replace Knox, then is it OK to question why Beane just signed Knox to a $52M contract while letting Edmunds go? Asking for a friend.

And funny tho, isn't it, that quite a few people here are suggesting nearly that. I think that people should pump the brakes and consider that he didn't exactly load up on stats against players that will end up being starters in the NFL. IMO it's a good thing he skipped the combine, despite it being for his back. And Beane doesn't have time. This is his sixth year product, if we can't win the division and at least advance to the Conference Championship Game, the tough questions need to start being asked, and both fans and media will at least begin to cascade down on them.

Just checking. 😉

Nothin' like a recently signed $13M/season player sitting on the bench.

And one of his worst in the PAC-12 CG. Yes. In the latter he was the 5th leading receiver on his own team, and 9th in the game contributing next to nothing in that game. USC had a horrible pass D in a conference that is hardly known for it's defense, which is why I'm not a fan of offensive players from the PAC-12. None of Kincaid's top 4 games were against anything but teams ranked near the bottom in pass D. One was against Southern Utah, a nothing FCS team. Neither were most of his other games. He did nothing impressive in those. Do with that info what you will, but look at his gamelogs. We'll see whether he translates well to the speed of the NFL. I have doubts. Hope he does, but I have doubts.

Fair points. So you're saying that Kincaid is as good as those two then?

But making it more relevant is that he isn't known for his speed which can't be coached up. He played against second tier talent in college. We'll have to wait and see how that impacts his play at this level. I have strong doubts.

I will add that of those, Pitts was on pace for a mere 600 yards and 3 TDs last season had he played all 17. Hockinson has averaged about 450 & 4.5 TDs per season. It's questionable whether he was worth a 1st round pick, as he wasn't worth an 8th overall. Whether Pitts was worth a 4th overall remains to be seen. Otherwise not a one in that batch was worth a 1st round pick and all have underachieved. Kincaid faces am uphill battle. Also, one ball, and Diggs, Davis, Shakira, Sherfield, Hasty, Knox, & Kincaid.

Diggs disappeared in four of our last five playoff games. He gets paid way too much to do that. The blocking appears to be on track for improvement. The question is by how much and whether it will be enough.

Don't overrated Harris, but that aside, what would it be that prevents that potential from becoming reality? Do t overrated Harris, some of his best games were against us, but he's been a pretty average RB at best.

This is Beane's mess due to his incompetence and McD is going to pay the price. They created it, they're responsible for making it work. I fail to see how it's avoidable that our D is significantly worse this year, perhaps even very average. The good news is that offense carries teams in this league. ... and when Klein is the voted leading solution ... LOL