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Yeah, saw those threads on PFT. I think we're jumping to an awful lot of conclusions here, but the fact that the national media is running with this isn't good from numerous perspectives. As to the team w/o Diggs, IDK, sometimes things can be an addition by subtraction thing and there's definitely an element of that here. My thought is that it may focus Allen/Dorsey more on the shorter higher-percentage passing game, which would be a good thing. Who knows. But this whole thing, apart from the much needed humor aspect, has given me a headache. LOL

LMAO The entire thing was funny but the above I got a particular chuckle out of those two, and that last line in "it's funny because it's true" form. BTW, how much of the rest is true?

That's almost entirely narrative stuff and you leapfrogged the primary point of my statement however. To start, Singletary averaged 4.6 YPC which was ahead of RBs Henry, Barkley, and Dalvin Cook who came it a 4.4. The difference? Henry and Barkley each had notably more carries than both Singletary & Cook combined. D. Cook was only 2 carries fewer than both of them combined. AKA had Singletary gotten that many carries he'd have had more yards at his YPC. I'll add some numbers otherwise. Take out Allen's rushing contributions and we rank DFL in rushing. Without Allen, we had 306 carries. The 31st ranked team had 386, 26% more. That was the 31st ranked rushing team. Even if you remove Brady's 29 carries (for -1 Yard, LOL) it's still miles more, and again, that was the DFL rushing team otherwise in both carries and yards. Take out Allen's yardage, and we finish 31st in the league in rushing. Yet, Singletary and Cook, even without Allen, ranked 3rd in the league. There's a disparity there and one that doesn't line up with the narrative. Either way, running your RBs only 19 times/game is clearly directly related to the OC. Anything else is spin. And for a team for which one of the primary complaints was that Allen runs the ball too much, that is reprehensible for the OC.

So Dorsey bears zero responsibility for running the ball using the RBs less than any other of the 31 teams, and by a country mile? Not sure one needs to watch the All-22 to see that clearly.

It could also be that they're both issues. Which supports my theory, which I'm sticking with, namely that McD would never hire anyone in the role that has a chance of replacing him should things not go well. Daboll's credentials were horrific, not merely bad.

"Hate" is strong. Dissatisfaction is more accurate. When the primary complaint, by your own team, is that your QB runs to much, and when your two best RBs are near the top of the league in YPC, and yet you trail the other 31 teams in the league, by a wide margin, in using your RBs to run the ball, you create your own issues, or as the thread is strongly titled, you create your own hate. Play selection was also incredibly questionable often. And that tantrum with him throwing the tablet which was more representative of a 6-year old than of a professional coach, he doesn't help himself with that kind of stuff either.

It's always fun when people pick up on the movie lines. It's important not to get too emotionally wrapped up here.

Maybe, but then McD needs to be held to account for it. That would be ridiculous if that's the case. It'd have been reasonable in February and March, but once the voluntaries started and there wasn't even a peep from Diggs, it would be irresponsible not to have taken it up at that point, which was many weeks ago.

Indeed The interesting thing is that this mythical "Process" has neither been defined nor is evident. It seems to a simple barrier that suggests that exposing this secretive "Process" would expose everything that's behind the success of the team, thereby forever barring anyone from ever knowing what it is besides McD and possibly Beane, who probably both have a few drinks now and again and laugh themselves to the nines over its effectiveness with the media and fans.

You strenuously object then?

I can't help it here, but if you want to talk about leaving out some facts, here's a few. I'll address them by point. Daboll didn't "have a slow start" to his career as an OC. He flat out sucked at it until Allen's third season. Coincidence? Here are his Scoring/Yardage rankings during his tenures: 2009: 29th/32nd 2010: 31st/29th 2011: 20th/22nd (his pinnacle) 2012: 32nd/24th He was demoted after that and had to coach TEs in NE. Hardly propping up his resume. 2018: 30th/30th (with us) 2019: 23rd/24th That's an average of 27th and 26th, which is absolutely horrible. It wasn't until Allen's third season and the addition of Diggs that "he" excelled. I don't agree on that, many don't. Sure, he obviously had an influence, but Allen's pretty brilliant in a true intellectual sense. IMO Allen's development is because of Allen primarily. I'd say the opposite, that Allen was key in Daboll's "development." Accomplishment, yes, incredible? Debatable for sure. It's also not only possible but quite likely that the guy he replaced, Joe Judge, was completely in over his head and had therefore underachieved in that same role, whereas Daboll merely brought it up to the standard that the team is. We'll find out more this season. But 9-7-1 is hardly "incredible." His Giants beat Minnesota twice, and the only other winning teams they beat were Jax and Baltimore, Jax early in the season before Lawrence started playing better, and the schizophrenic Ravens that are OK but also overrated. Otherwise, Jones posted 15 Passing TDs to Allen's 37 and 36 in Daboll's only two notable seasons here. Monumental task? 9-7-1 playoffs, with help from other teams in week 18 and backing in after finishing 2-5-1? Come on now .... They obviously had Minnesota's number and beat them again in the playoffs before getting obliterted by Philly. But the main point that I'd argue in that statement is that he "resurrected Daniel Jones' career," who you say before Daboll was widely considered to be a bust, and with which many would agree including myself. But Jones' passing numbers last season were not significantly better than in his prior two seasons and didn't approach his rookie season numbers. He pitched for 15 TDs last season, up from 11 and 10 the two seasons prior. His TD% went up marginally from 2.5 an 2.8 to 3.2. But here were his rankings on the season for QBs: Passing Yards: 15th Passing TDs: 21st TD %: 28th YPA: 25th Adj. YPA: 19th YPC: 27th YPG: 25th Rating: 14th Sack %: 26th (despite all that rushing) Where he did improve was running the ball where his rushing yards more than doubled from the year prior. And we wonder where Allen got it from. Also in INT% which was way down to 1st in the league. I'm not sure I'd consider that a "resurrection" or resurgence otherwise. If he stays on that "resurrected" pace of 15 passing TDs I don't envision him lasting mch longer as a starter in the NFL except on desperate teams that think they can get more out of him. I think that it may have been a huge mistake to extend him like that. This season will tell more, but could very well have simply been lack of familiarity by opponents of what Daboll was doing, which would explain the 7-2 start followed by the 2-5-1 near epic collapse.

Allen should have deferred the entire thing to McD who should be speaking on behalf of the team. This thing has turned into a major national soap opera and barring some unforeseeable simple explanation for which it would be a miracle if that were the case right now, this bodes terribly for the season, for McD, for Diggs, for Beane, pretty much everything. If it doesn't get resolved soon then it will be just one more thing that the Bills have to try to live down. My question is why TF didn't they address this in the what, 5 months 'til now, rather than having it weigh-in on the first mandatory day of practice.

OK, but I never said he was a great coach, I said he'd be better than McD at managing the offense, and since offense is this team's strength, and given the several things that I said were wrong with it, that weren't wrong with Reich's offenses, IMO the Offense here would be more balanced and notably better as a result, generally speaking, than it's been under McD. Again, Reich's largely had siht to work with. It's interesting, because when I discuss things of this nature with people here, when the talent issue aligns with their side, they place it in a prominent position in the debate. But when the opposite is true, it's entirely dismissed out of hand. Discounting last season, for him to have put forth an average 10th ranked scoring O in the four seasons otherwise, with Brissett, a 39-year old Rivers, and and Wentz as you pointed out, in a QB carousel of sorts never with the same QB for two seasons, with all but siht at WR, was pretty remarkable. If we had this same conversation with the roles reversed, you'd be making the same argument about how McD had now weapons on offense compared to Reich. At the same time, IMO McD would have done much worse than Reich given those circumstances in Indy. I'll admit that I could be wrong, but if we're going to be honest, McD's "ability to coach the offense" revolves entirely around Allen and his individual play. Not anything that McD has done. What he and his OCs have done is created the most imbalanced offense that this team has ever seen, and allowed for Allen to play playground ball when he wants to. I'm not trying to discount anything Allen does or what he is, I'm huge on him, but the talent around him has been limited. His RBs again, are the least utilized of any other NFL team by a wide margin. His OL is far from being good. Anyway, as usual, agree to disagree. This season already looks as if it's shaping up to be a real doozy. Sadly.

Well, I don't think you'd be looking a "shirt" in that case, probably more of a top, one with spaghetti straps.

San Fran ... you'd probably have to turn them into low-rise cut-offs.

I hope they're Zubaz or you're out of uniform!

If the comments were fertilizer, the crops would be of a record yield!

I laughed at that, but then I thought, on that point, what if things are starting to come apart at the seams.

Not having a top-notch OC hired in the first place has hurt us more than most of us realize. Daboll was not that guy. His Offenses on his tenure ranked well into the mid-high 20s in 8 seasons, including his first two here. Indirectly off-topic ...

Come on now, you're not playing this game properly! Get with the program.

Davis was in that m2m position, and wide open, so often when Allen threw to Diggs. It actually hurt the team at some of those times when those passes in double-coverage were defended or otherwise fell incomplete.

At some point that points back to McD though. As the head coach you have to have control over your coordinators. Dorsey was clearly in over his head last season. McD should have been there to mitigate that damage.

If that's something that has led to this I'd be surprised. To start, it sounds like simple legal troubles, and secondly, it occurred over a week ago, not like it occurred last night.

But we're not "experts."