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I'll step out and guess 80 by 6 p.m. I ... MUST ... BREAK ... FREE!!! But I can't, the humor is too good to pass up. LOL

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I'm laughing harder than I have in a while at this thread right now. It's like being in a comedy club.

Diggs is bi and was hoping to be next woman up after Josh ditched Brittany?

Don't say that, encourage him. Maybe he was trying to lose a few pounds. LOL

The season in many peoples' opinions comes down to how he performs as OC. I'm hopeful but not particularly optimistic, with or w/o Diggs. Obviously less so w/o him.

Dude, I'm in stitches over here, the comedic relief is epic! These are the best threads, when we know absolutely nothing, or very little, and everyone reacts. Gameday threads this year should be a real hoot too.

5th in the league last season with 154 and only behind Jefferson 184, Adams 180, Hill 170, and marginally behind Lamb 156.

Refresh, Refresh, ReFRESH your way to success!!

And to think, besides the video above and this, I haven't even made a post. LMAO

Well, if we're going to be honest here, I'm not sure what McBeane have built other than Allen. Think about it. Our WRs have been inadequate after every season. Our OL has been average on good days, perpetually, this season awaiting a positive change from McGovern/Torrence, but if they aren't what's been billed ... Our TE has been Knox to date, below-average otherwise, and more than not have been critical of Knox and his inconsistency issues and dropped balls too. Our RBs, LOL, as I've pointed out, are the least utilized in the entire league. The entire league. None of that is building anything. It's over-relying upon Allen, entirely. So offensively, apart from Allen, what has McD built? ... and since the focal point of our team is Allen, it revolves around our offense, particularly since our Defense fails in the playoffs. BTW, I realize we're going to disagree on these things. LOL Please don't take any of this with any hostile intent.

All of that centers around Allen. Also, that's why I stated that it was MO that Reich would have been better. But what is certain is that Daboll's credentials were low-end. Frasier's questionable. Dorsey's all but nonexistent as an internal promotion. We also know that McD could have reached out to Reich as his OC, but did not. Comparing Reich's OC credentials to Daboll's, there's little question as to whose were better. A lot of what you said above could have been accomplished with many HCs. I mean it's a real real real reach to suggest that most other HCs would have had this offense with Allen running at 10th in the league or something. IMO about the worst that any HC would do with our Offense if 5th, maybe 6th in the league with Allen. No one has time going back thru thousands of posts. But I've engaged with them and we've agreed to disagree on that point. It's not many, but they are in here. Post a poll, find out. In fact I'm pretty sure that someone has, so go back and look for those and you'll have your proof. Otherwise post another one. LOL Hell, it's the offseason.

I didn't argue it, GB did. I just took him up on his opening argument. As to the "personal attack," I think it's a reach here given the context. Besides, I was interacting with GB. I have to think, that given the context that he's aware of, he wouldn't consider it a personal attack either. He and I go at it all the time. Neither of us has hard feelings. People agreeing that it was an "attack" outside of its context doesn't make it a "personal attack." I always try to address the argument, not the poster. I go out of my way to choose words that I think do that. Sometimes my attempts at humor and ight-heartedness are misconstrued, for which I've apologized at times, but which were not intended to be offensive, but I can tell you with certainty that I deliberately attempt not to "attack" a poster, only their arguments, and I don't think I've ever used ad hominems. I do sense that people get very emotionally defensive once they've been argued/debated into a corner or even if the argument becomes difficult from their pitch. But that's on them. If you're going to debate/argue/offer-opinions, then be ready to be countered. Also, try to be objective. There's quite a bit of subjectivity in many arguments here. But isn't that what the place is all about? Free, open, and civil discussion, even if it's substantially argumentative. What fun would it be if everyone came on here and it was like Chip-n-Dale of Warner Brothers fame, each constantly agreeing with one another and offering platitudes to each other. How boring. LOL

That's simply not true. If you really mean everyone, numerous people here have stated that as long as we play competitively and "are in it," and that the games are entertaining, then none of us have anything to gripe about and have plainly stated that they're happy. I agree that most people fits your description, but not everyone. But since you've said that, and since I agree, allow me to ask, after 7 years of coaching, and 6 years of management, at what point, assuming things don't change/improve this season, do you say enough is enough, McD has served a purpose, but it's clear that he's not the one to get us to the promised land with Allen at QB? We have yet to get a straight answer on that from McD apologists.

IMO Reich would have been a better option when they hired McD, who had no history, an incredibly average dossier at coaching Ds, averaging patently average during his time at Carolina, and on the beneficial side of relatively easy schedules there too and with more talent than he has here. But notice that McD could also have likely hired Reich as OC too. It supports my statements that he hasn't hired a single person yet as a coordinator that would upon that person's hire threaten his head-coaching tenure. Again, Daboll was awful as an OC elsewhere in 8 seasons, including his first two here. Frasier was a failed HC and OK but far from fantastic much less superlative DC. Dorsey, ... LOL so far. So far he's proven to be a tantrum-laden tablet throwing emotionally unhinged OC (embellishing somewhat, LOL) whose "leadership" qualities I would question. I didn't say that there wouldn't be the Excuse Team, there usually is. I simply think that like when McD refused to give up on Peterman, and despite having Allen on the roster, that Pegula's hand will at least begin to be forced by fans & media like McD's was, nearly the point of embarrassment. And again, maybe we win it all this season. I'd be surprise, but not shocked. The talent is there. What's holding us up is our playoff performances and coaching. HINT: The two are directly related. LOL But if it doesn't happen, I don't expect that the narrative fallout is going to be favorable towards McBeane. I mean how many years can you go on blaming a lack of talent, but not the GM, and a lack of playoff performances while possessive of Allen while not blaming the coach. I guess we may find out. LOL

To start, I was being light. Secondly, it continues on a comment he made about himself in another thread. The comment was to him, he knows what I'm talking about, it wasn't mean as an insult, I think he realizes that. Context is key here. Always good not to assume things like that. As to the argument, LOL, I don't think that argument is lost. I think it's beyond ridiculous to begin with on his end. Do you agree with his position? I'll sum it up for you. He directly called into question Reich's judgement in supporting Wentz in countering my implication that Reich would have been a better OC or HC here than either Daboll or McD. I then brought into the conversation McD's unwavering and quite frankly steadfast judgement that Peterman gave us the best chance of winning. Keep in mind that McD was openly mocked for that far and wide, including here. So to you support his argument, that you claim I lost? That namely Reich's judgement was worse than McD's in those two stated cases? Simple Y/N question, no explanations needed. ?? Same question to you.

BTW, you are venturing into homer status here on this one.

Good thing I saved this one. Here ya go, I posted this, for the third or fourth time, in another thread hammering on Davis, without whom due to his playoff performances we'd be discussing a new head coach by now. BTW, Diggs has had fewer "peaks" than Davis has had in the playoffs. So since our problems are of the Playoffs nature, not the regular season, if we're going to criticize the WRs, how about criticizing the one that hasn't even approached owning up to his $24M/season contract over the past five playoff games. -------------------- Davis made $1M, had 34 yards on 2 catches, 50.0% catch%, and both went for 1st-Downs. Last season in the playoffs, $1M Davis had 8 catches for 147 Yards, and a catch % of 61.5%. Last season in the playoffs, $96M Diggs had 11 catches for 149 Yards, and a catch % of 57.9%. 6 of Davis' 8 catches went for 1st-Downs. Davis had 1 TD. 6 of Diggs' 11 catches went for 1st-Downs. Diggs had 0 TDs. When that's broken down per dollar paid, ... NOW, let's compare the last 2 seasons of playoffs. First last year, then combined. In the 2021 playoffs Davis had 10 catches for 242 Yards, and a catch % of 76.9%. In the 2021 playoffs Diggs had 6 catches for 67 Yards, and a catch % of 60.0% Only 2 of Diggs' 6 catches went for 1st-Downs. Diggs had 0 TDs. 5 of Davis' 10 catches went for 1st-Downs, 5 of Davis' catches went for TDs. In both of the last two seasons playoffs combined ... Diggs had 17 catches for 216 Yards, and a catch % of 58.6% Davis had 18 catches for 389 Yards, and a catch % of 69.2% Of Diggs 17 catches, 8 went for 1st-Downs, 0 went for TDs. Of Davis 18 catches, 11 went for 1st-Downs, 6 went for TDs. There's absolutely no comparison in the playoffs. Our problem has been in the playoffs, not the regular season. This season Davis makes $3M contrasted with Diggs' 4-year $96M contract. Sorry, but in the playoffs, for my money, I'm going with Davis. And let's skip the Davis only did what he did because of Diggs routine. Diggs didn't outperform Dais anywhere in the playoffs the past two seasons. No matter how it's sliced, our moneyman Diggs has come up drastically short in the playoffs for what he's getting paid.

No, you directly impugned Reich for backing Wentz, and when few options for him were available. There's nothing to interpret here based on what you wrote. Let's not forget that that team is driven by Jim Irsay and Chris Ballard. Hardly Robert Kraft and Bill Polian. I acquiesced to the premise that getting Wentz was entirely his decision and not Ballard's, or worse yet, that sot Irsay's. Same for Ryan. In doing so you opened up the argument to the judgement of the coaches in the discussion, Reich v. McD. I merely pointed out that if you're going to impugn the judgement of Reich for unequivocally backing a QB like Wentz, then it definitely is within the realm of reasonability to question the same judgement on the part of the coach that you are defending. McD's support for Peterman was as ardent as it gets, the fans and media literally had to force his hand into a change. Remarkably, when any blind man could see that Peterman was going nowhere but to pursue the ambitions of his college degree. BTW, that "horrific" season that you imply Wentz had, again, from someone that also doesn't care for Wentz, Wentz put up his third best Yardage and Ratings seasons, and 2nd best TD and TD% seasons in his 7-year career. I wonder how Allen would have done with Pittman Jr., Pascal, a washed up Hilton, and Dulan, two of which very few here have even heard of. I know that the crescendo of wails originating in Buffalo related to the talent at WR would have been heard in Elmira. I also think that Reich was quietly awaiting to be chosen at least as the OC for us, but it's pretty clear that McD wasn't about to hire someone that could easily replace him if things went south, or not as well as he should have done. So he hires Daboll, who's track record of offenses during his tenures as OC consistently ranked in the 20s, typically the mid-high 20s even. If you want I post 'em. Abysmal. Reich would have been so much a better OC or HC for this Allen-centric team. After McD, and I'm pretty confident it's coming unless we win it all this season, will be an offensive minded HC.

It's part of the direct comparison between Reich and McD, sure you are. You may not have meant to, but that's the way it unfolded.

And my playoffs argument?

When you put up that argument, implicitly you are defending McD's Peterman choice. The facts and data are above as are the arguments. Wentz wasn't even nearly the worst QB that season. He finished 10th in passing TDs. To attempt to impugn a coach on that, with the siht he had at WR is ridiculous.

BTW, for all the crying we do around here for not having Cincy's core of WRs, Reich/Wentz had Pittman Jr., Pascal, A washed up Hilton, and Dulan. Imagine the tears if those guys were our core of WRs. LOL. Reich also got five times more from Hines offensively. And BTW, his offense that season finished 9th in scoring to our 5th. Pretty remarkable considering the garbage he had other than at RB. To reiterate, yes, I think that Reich would have gotten way more out of this offense than McD is.

Really? OK, since apparently you enjoy polemical pain ... McD deliberately chose Peterman - far far far worse than Wentz, and even to the extent of raving about him after the draft, thereby shattering your argument - over all other options, including Allen at that time. I'm not a Wentz fan in the least, but in Indy he posted 3,563 Yards, 27 TDs, 7 INTs, 62.4%, and had a rating of 94.6. McD's wonderboy choice in his 8 games & 4 starts captured Bills Mafia's hearts with 548 yards, 3 TDs, 12 impressive INTs, a 52.3%, and a 32.5 rating. A number of posters here may have been able to do that back in their prime. Not only is he the worst QB to ever suit up for the Bills, and McD's "best chance to win," great humor in retrospect, but he's one of the worst QBs in NFL history. And your honestly defending McD over Reich here on that premise, that Wentz was worse than Peterman. SMH/ ROFLMAO just take the L here. I'll cover your breakfast.

Very nicely summed up! I'm not sure that it's primarily Allen tho, he's the primary reason we've even been worth a siht. He's got it in him It definitely hasn't been our OL, RBs, TEs, or WRs that have carried us. But now we've got Diggs' to worry about, and of course the elephant sitting in the fruit bowl is Dorsey. McD's in the sights now too re: his D. He was patently average in Carolina with very arguably better D talent there and he's got the toughest slate of offensive talent on the schedule that he's ever seen and for the first time he's been here he doesn't have one of the easier schedules in the league. We'll see how he does, but why would we expect anything better than what he's done in the past. Absolute requirements are winning the division and advancing beyond the Divisional Round convincingly, not by barely beating a team using it's 3rd-string QB while playing at home in front of rabid fans, and if we lose after that, it had better be a perfectly played game against a great team, but most importantly, no coaching blunders. If that doesn't happen I suspect that the existing narratives re: McBeane will be stood on their heads. Excuses aren't going to fly this time. McD's entering his 7th season and Beane's has had 6 years now too put an above-average team on the field around Allen. It's all once again looking better than it ever has. IMO that's a big hill though considering the patterns & trends to date.