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You strenuously object then?

I can't help it here, but if you want to talk about leaving out some facts, here's a few. I'll address them by point. Daboll didn't "have a slow start" to his career as an OC. He flat out sucked at it until Allen's third season. Coincidence? Here are his Scoring/Yardage rankings during his tenures: 2009: 29th/32nd 2010: 31st/29th 2011: 20th/22nd (his pinnacle) 2012: 32nd/24th He was demoted after that and had to coach TEs in NE. Hardly propping up his resume. 2018: 30th/30th (with us) 2019: 23rd/24th That's an average of 27th and 26th, which is absolutely horrible. It wasn't until Allen's third season and the addition of Diggs that "he" excelled. I don't agree on that, many don't. Sure, he obviously had an influence, but Allen's pretty brilliant in a true intellectual sense. IMO Allen's development is because of Allen primarily. I'd say the opposite, that Allen was key in Daboll's "development." Accomplishment, yes, incredible? Debatable for sure. It's also not only possible but quite likely that the guy he replaced, Joe Judge, was completely in over his head and had therefore underachieved in that same role, whereas Daboll merely brought it up to the standard that the team is. We'll find out more this season. But 9-7-1 is hardly "incredible." His Giants beat Minnesota twice, and the only other winning teams they beat were Jax and Baltimore, Jax early in the season before Lawrence started playing better, and the schizophrenic Ravens that are OK but also overrated. Otherwise, Jones posted 15 Passing TDs to Allen's 37 and 36 in Daboll's only two notable seasons here. Monumental task? 9-7-1 playoffs, with help from other teams in week 18 and backing in after finishing 2-5-1? Come on now .... They obviously had Minnesota's number and beat them again in the playoffs before getting obliterted by Philly. But the main point that I'd argue in that statement is that he "resurrected Daniel Jones' career," who you say before Daboll was widely considered to be a bust, and with which many would agree including myself. But Jones' passing numbers last season were not significantly better than in his prior two seasons and didn't approach his rookie season numbers. He pitched for 15 TDs last season, up from 11 and 10 the two seasons prior. His TD% went up marginally from 2.5 an 2.8 to 3.2. But here were his rankings on the season for QBs: Passing Yards: 15th Passing TDs: 21st TD %: 28th YPA: 25th Adj. YPA: 19th YPC: 27th YPG: 25th Rating: 14th Sack %: 26th (despite all that rushing) Where he did improve was running the ball where his rushing yards more than doubled from the year prior. And we wonder where Allen got it from. Also in INT% which was way down to 1st in the league. I'm not sure I'd consider that a "resurrection" or resurgence otherwise. If he stays on that "resurrected" pace of 15 passing TDs I don't envision him lasting mch longer as a starter in the NFL except on desperate teams that think they can get more out of him. I think that it may have been a huge mistake to extend him like that. This season will tell more, but could very well have simply been lack of familiarity by opponents of what Daboll was doing, which would explain the 7-2 start followed by the 2-5-1 near epic collapse.

Allen should have deferred the entire thing to McD who should be speaking on behalf of the team. This thing has turned into a major national soap opera and barring some unforeseeable simple explanation for which it would be a miracle if that were the case right now, this bodes terribly for the season, for McD, for Diggs, for Beane, pretty much everything. If it doesn't get resolved soon then it will be just one more thing that the Bills have to try to live down. My question is why TF didn't they address this in the what, 5 months 'til now, rather than having it weigh-in on the first mandatory day of practice.

OK, but I never said he was a great coach, I said he'd be better than McD at managing the offense, and since offense is this team's strength, and given the several things that I said were wrong with it, that weren't wrong with Reich's offenses, IMO the Offense here would be more balanced and notably better as a result, generally speaking, than it's been under McD. Again, Reich's largely had siht to work with. It's interesting, because when I discuss things of this nature with people here, when the talent issue aligns with their side, they place it in a prominent position in the debate. But when the opposite is true, it's entirely dismissed out of hand. Discounting last season, for him to have put forth an average 10th ranked scoring O in the four seasons otherwise, with Brissett, a 39-year old Rivers, and and Wentz as you pointed out, in a QB carousel of sorts never with the same QB for two seasons, with all but siht at WR, was pretty remarkable. If we had this same conversation with the roles reversed, you'd be making the same argument about how McD had now weapons on offense compared to Reich. At the same time, IMO McD would have done much worse than Reich given those circumstances in Indy. I'll admit that I could be wrong, but if we're going to be honest, McD's "ability to coach the offense" revolves entirely around Allen and his individual play. Not anything that McD has done. What he and his OCs have done is created the most imbalanced offense that this team has ever seen, and allowed for Allen to play playground ball when he wants to. I'm not trying to discount anything Allen does or what he is, I'm huge on him, but the talent around him has been limited. His RBs again, are the least utilized of any other NFL team by a wide margin. His OL is far from being good. Anyway, as usual, agree to disagree. This season already looks as if it's shaping up to be a real doozy. Sadly.

Well, I don't think you'd be looking a "shirt" in that case, probably more of a top, one with spaghetti straps.

San Fran ... you'd probably have to turn them into low-rise cut-offs.

I hope they're Zubaz or you're out of uniform!

If the comments were fertilizer, the crops would be of a record yield!

I laughed at that, but then I thought, on that point, what if things are starting to come apart at the seams.

Not having a top-notch OC hired in the first place has hurt us more than most of us realize. Daboll was not that guy. His Offenses on his tenure ranked well into the mid-high 20s in 8 seasons, including his first two here. Indirectly off-topic ...

Come on now, you're not playing this game properly! Get with the program.

Davis was in that m2m position, and wide open, so often when Allen threw to Diggs. It actually hurt the team at some of those times when those passes in double-coverage were defended or otherwise fell incomplete.

At some point that points back to McD though. As the head coach you have to have control over your coordinators. Dorsey was clearly in over his head last season. McD should have been there to mitigate that damage.

If that's something that has led to this I'd be surprised. To start, it sounds like simple legal troubles, and secondly, it occurred over a week ago, not like it occurred last night.

But we're not "experts."

Can't you read, plenty of people have told you what's going on. Just pick one of them.

Meanwhile, everyone else has taken their pants off.

LOL, I'm literally in tears over here, the humor in this thread!!

While we're on the topic ... BWAHAHA!!! Not sure about that, but I do know that you should not use it to mix drinks with.

This thread is so hilarious!!! Thanks for your contribution!!! Truly!

Let's hope that they do work it out effectively. It's hardly hyperbole to suggest that if they don't it threatens to derail the entire season. Unlike many others I have absolutely no idea what it really is, but it seems both serious and a continuation of last season, which cannot possibly be good. And if that turns out to be the case, then my guess is that it's unlikely to not rear its head again during the season.

The process is very secret being closely guarded by both Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster.

The fact that there's anything that needs to be worked out at this time is problematic.

That's an interesting proposition. I've opined in the past that given that all the fans see the coaching shortcomings, that there's no way that the players don't. That of course was typically met with the "it doesn't matter" mindset and that McD and his "Process," for however ill-defined much less evident that it is, still has the full respect and belief by the players. I'm with you, IMO that's a looming issue that has yet to play out. That's why IMO this is a pivotal season. I've questioned my girls' soccer coach, who doesn't know WTF he's doing from a soccer perspective, but he's a great cheerleader. How much more would I question a staff that left me flat after that "13 Seconds" debacle. And a debacle it was.