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Perhaps this part of the plan;

Maybe "concepting" is part of "The Process." Maybe alongside concepting this evening, they're also going to have a slide presentation to let us know what "the Process" is too. I'm so excited!! Nothing like a good concepting!

Whatever it is we know that it's not football related, we were told so. Who knows, maybe Diggs got in on the tranny action, changed his gender, and it's just that time of the month.

Now that you mention it, I completely agree. LOL ... sort of. Will it have a dome? And honestly, what could that cost? Negligible. Perhaps right after our Super Bowl victory party.

I simply want to know when further pics are coming out. They're building the damn thing for the love of pete. They must know what they're building and be able to provide more detailed pics. ... or "renderings" if you will. LOL

Nice post! Thanks for taking the time to do all that. BTW, that ChatGPT is hilarious. How did you ask it to do it? ... in what style that is? Regarding your concluding statement above, and to add to it, it simply comes down to not underachieving. It's one thing when you go play a game, play your best, and either lose to a team that happened to be on fire or better than you, it's quite another to play worse than you did on average during the season on one or both sides. Going through our 9 playoff games under McD: 2017: D played well, O massively underachieved to season worst standard. 2019: Given the Texans' very average-at-best offensive and defensive rankings, both units underachieved albeit only marginally. 2020 Colts: PAR 2020 Ravens: D overachieved, O underachieved 2020 Chiefs: O underachieved marginally, D underachieved 2021 Pats: O overachieved, D PAR to marginally overachieved 2021 Chiefs: O overachieved, D underachieved 2022 Fins: O PAR to overachieved, D massively underachieved 2022 Bengals: O massively underachieved, D underachieved. When we consider that our defense was ranked 1st or 2nd in 2022, 2021, and 2019, and that our offense was ranked 2nd or 3rd in 2020 - 2022 that renders it even less impressive. At the end of the day, as you stated and implied otherwise, we've simply not gotten anywhere near the most from this team come playoff time in six seasons and 9 playoff games with the sole exception of the Pats' Wild-Card game. Most people would attribute that kind of sustained underachievement to coaching, not the talent on the team. The only ones that don't appear to be a subset of Bills fans.

Oh, I finally get it. McD & Co. have proven to be the ones to get us there. So clear now. BTW, there are quite a few coaches absent from your list. Not that it's a surprise that you didn't list them or anything. You McD apologists really need to come up with some new material. 😂

LOL One game, in a season whereby they collectively got their butts handed to them by an inferior team led by Gary Kubiak and one of the worst QBs in league history that season. That's exactly my point, they may look good on paper but when it comes to playing even to their averages in the biggest of games, much less above-average, not a one of 'em has any history with that besides one of underachievement. Call me nuts, but I don't see any significant future discussion of a "McDermott Coaching Tree" here. LOL

Well, we're what, a little over two months away from starting to find out. I'm incredibly concerned about the coaching staff this season. Not one of the top guys, McD himself, Dorsey Washington, Shula, or Holcomb have any significant accolades that spawn inspiration in that way other than that they've coached with or under McD.

He trusted Frasier, Dorsey, and everyone else we've had. He should be focused on hiring people that have a reputation for getting the most from the players that they coach. Simple question to you, do you believe that those coaches that I listed are the best options for doing that? Frankly, I don't care if he hires his grandmother if she can get the job done. I just question, based upon their credentials, whether or not they're capable of doing that.

Seriously? What, is this about rosters and coaching staffs? Reid's won Super Bowls and hasn't routinely collapsed in the playoffs. Conspiculously missing from your post is the results of those coaches. My point entirely is that this slew of coaching crap from Carolina, which hasn't proven a thing pretty much ever in its 27-year existence likely aren't the best options if McD really wants to get the most out of the roster that we have. Call me crazy. But comparing them to coaches that have, ... LOL ... really?

What's interesting is that it went from 17.4 before Miller's injury, to 17.4 after Miller's injury, discounting the Detroit game. Strangely, that increased by 11 points in the playoffs while allowing 31 to a team that started a QB that will be incredibly lucky to ever start another NFL game. Come on, you're not playing this properly. Clearly he was the best option out there. McD's an expert, we're not, and we can't understand things like what you just said. McD knows. At the end of the season if it doesn't work out, we'll find someone else that's clearly the best choice. Who else haven't we plugged-n-played that coached with McD in Carolina? Whomever that is, he's next in line as the best option.

Dorsey (top Offensive guy): Coached with McD in Carolina Washington (top Defensive guy after McD): Coached under McD in Carolina Al Holcomb (Senior D Asst.): Coached under McD in Carolina Mike Shula (Senior O Asst.): Coached with McD in Carolina All the top coaches. What are the odds that those were all the best choices to get their respective jobs done, particularly collectively. LOL Strangely, our playoff results aren't much different. Imagine that. No nepotism or anything going on here.

Why do we get the a$$-end? He was four seasons here, more than any other team, we should be up front with the head of the Buffalo.

Seems a bit of a reach, but this division is tougher than it's been in decades. Particularly with the looming news that Elliott and possibly Hopkins are headed to NE. I actually like that, think it builds character and helps teams come playoff time.

Presumably you're referring to the Indy WC round game in the 2020 playoffs. It isn't in and of itself, but when you have a D that allowed a 10th ranked offense to log more yards, more 1st-Downs, their 3rd-most Rushing & 3rd-most Passing yards than they had all season, while allowing well over 5 YPC, and in the case of the 3rd's, only worse against a 1-15 team and both teams having bottom ranked Defenses, it's hardly a feather in the cap of coaching, especially when you barely win and the game goes down to the wire. There's no way to spin that other than to say that it was a significant underachievement defensively speaking. For us, we allowed the 2nd most yards that we did all season and 4th most 1st-Downs on defense too. Indy's offense was good, it wasn't that good. IMO Reich gets a lot of credit for that, more than McD. Then Philip Rivers in his last game in the league at 39. Hardly impressive. I wouldn't use that game as a strong example in support of coaching. Why would anyone use such an underachieving game as evidence of great coaching? That makes no sense. Our offense in that game was good, but it was a very average offensive outing for us on the season. So the coaching didn't step up there either. Otherwise, it would depend upon the team and circumstances. Giving up 24 to a team that averaged less than that, particularly using a starting QB that wasn't on the field when you played them, would seem to likewise indicate defensive underachievement. No? I mean what would have happened had Tua played in that playoff game last season, do you think we still would have won? To me it's doubtful and if it were the case, the narrative and ensuing discussions would have been a lot different now. We allowed 31 points, at home, to a team that didn't average within a TD (7 points) of that during the regular season with their starter at QB, but allowed 31 at home in the playoffs, to a QB whose only other NFL start, at home in Miami, led to three straight drives averaging 25 ypd, all resulting in punts, against the Vikings, who had the 28th Scoring Defense and 31st Yardage Defense, ... before getting yanked in favor of Bridgewater. (Ouch!) Our big-bad 2nd-ranked Scoring and 6th-ranked Yardage Defense shouldn't have allowed more than 20 if even that under those circumstances. That's hardly a good game to cite in defense of McD, a defensively-oriented coach, being good. You said some interesting things there and made some good points. Some of it is nits though and we can pick those apart forever down to the cleats and the playing surface. (largely joking, but to the point) In addressing the bolded part of your post, wouldn't that seem to be incumbent upon coaching to figure out? It seems as if that's your implication, just reinforcing it. That's what coaches get paid to do, figure out what the opponent does best, and craft a game-plan around them being able to do that. We haven't seen that yet in any even remotely sustained manner by McD. Just sayin'. McD talks about a lot of things. To date I challenge anyone to actually define what this elusive "Process" is. It's a mystery. LOL We'll see what happens this season, but the excuses seem to be wearing thin amongst both fans and media alike. We cannot every season say, "he finally has the pieces in place," then after the season talk about all the holes. LOL But that's what's been happening. I see some holes this season too, not least concerning that of MLB/ILB. AJ Klein ain't gonna cut it. I'll be suprised if he even makes the team. Will the rookie Williams? Bernard? In the meantime, GO BILLS!!! The season approaches, let's hope for the best! No sense in wallowing in the past right now. It's far too late to make any major changes in pretty much anything

While whistling as he steps over the trend & pattern of the straight facts. Sure.

And naturally the contexts only favor your argument.

Well, that's where we more or less part ways on the issue. While Allen isn't perfect, he's also the all but sole reason for our success, to whatever extent we've had it. "Allen being Allen" and "Gunslinger Allen" is the reason why we're good. I'll cite another example. I think that we can both agree that McD is not as good as Belichick in crafting Defensive scheming. If not, then this won't make any sense to you, but assuming that you agree .. I've said for many years that Belichick has only had the success that he's had because of Brady, and I've had to listen to incorrigible Pats fans lecture contrarily. To their credit, over the last year or two my several ardent Pats fans now agree with me. It was my position all along that without Brady, Belichick is an about .500 coach otherwise. That's actually born itself out in 10 seasons that he's coached, five now with the Pats, where he hasn't had Brady. In those 10 seasons he's made the playoffs twice, is 1-2 in them, and only beat the Bledsoe-led Pats while he was in Cleveland where he had Testeverde. As you likely know, Bledsoe was a horrific playoff QB. Either way, in both of his two losses he was obliterated, once by us two seasons ago in the WC Round, the other time following the game vs. the Pats in the D Round. At the end of the day, after what, nearly 30 years of head-coaching, without Brady, he's been a perfect 25-25. McD's not even as good as Belichick, no one would reasonably argue otherwise. I view it no differently for McD except that I'm not even sure he'd be a .500 coach w/o Allen. I guess the only we'd ever find that out for certain is if he ends up leaving here and coaches elsewhere. I see very little indication that on game days McD contributes more than the average coach does towards winning.

A fair post, and I agree with the bolded. Still, the history stands and has set a trend/pattern. At some point that needs to be broken and turn into a positive trend/pattern or all we're doing is the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. HIs ardent apologists use even less applicable things that you discount above and use them to the n-th degree in his defense. So there's that as well. I don't recall seeing you make the same argument going that way, in fairness to the discussion. Maybe you have, I simply don't recall it if you've done so. At the end of the day we've generally been a better team than the teams that we've lost to in the playoffs with one exception, which was botched due to an inexcusable error in judgement. That needs to change and pretty darn quickly if he's to remain on. Wasting the Allen era while he's trying to figure out how to personally get over that hump doesn't work for me and many if not most other fans. It certainly isn't supported by fans and media outside of the Bills' fanbase.

I suppose that you have a point there, but I still think it's somewhere in the middle, as in you also have to look at the entire body of work. Look at Belichick's defensive rankings as a DC in NY and Tomlin's as a HC in Pittsburgh. It's also remiss to then imply that McD's compare favorably with theirs.

Ahh, gotcha. But in defense of his post, he's not wrong. Per my post, the one you just responded too, it would be even worse cherry-picking if he picked the few defensive-minded head coaches that did win a Super Bowl and claimed commonality with them when there's even less commonality there. So he has a point whether people like it or not. This thread has prompted me to perform an analysis of McD's performances as a DC/HC in the playoffs. I'll squeeze it in when I have time, but I've already found it to be interesting based upon my aforementioned post. Don't you? I mean to suggest that that's irrelevant in the context here would be entirely remiss while exhibiting a ridiculous bias in favor of McD.

Yeah, I get it, but taking an unproven athlete or coach at a certain level, then trying to prove a negative by introducing directly unrelated superlatives, some in a different era of football, and using them to make a contrary point isn't much different. At this point in time, and contrasted with his modern peers that also had QBs of Allen's caliber, McD's closer to those that haven't made it than to the Belichicks and Tomlin's of the world. That's pretty much indisputable. I also don't recall Belichick or Tomlin much less some of the others giving away playoff games like McD has either. Certainly "13 Seconds" ranks up there with the historical worst. On that note however, and given your statement of "taking the conversation somewhere else," I wouldn't mind breaching the narrative that McD was something other than an incredibly average DC in Carolina and how that may relate to him calling the D here this season, on top of taking care of the head-coaching duties. The narrative is that he was some kind of stellar DC in Carolina. I view him as having been incredibly average. He also had Keuchly, one of the best MLBs of the modern era and in league history. Yet, his Scoring defenses ranked 27th, 18th, 2nd 21st, 6th, and 26th and with yardage Ds not ranked much better. In short, on average patently average. In his big moments to shine, namely the Super Bowl in the 2015 season, where the Panthers which had allowed an average of 19 PPG that season, lost the Super Bowl to an offense ranked 19th in Scoring (22 PPG) by allowing them to score 24. Perhaps the most damning element of that is that Denver was led by Peyton Manning at 39, who posted a cataclysmically horrible season throwing for 9 TDs (31st), 17 INTs (31st), and a rating of 67.9. (34th) leaving the Broncos entirely one-dimensional. Yet, despite allowing an average 19 PPG, McD's Defense allowed 24 points to that team that had averaged 22 PPG. Now, I'm not saying that this is what we can expect, I'm also not saying that we shouldn't expect "more of the same" as such, but it without any question further fuels the fires surrounding McD's big-game capability and competency. In the playoffs the year prior, 2014, the Panthers were ousted in the Divisional round also largely fueled by poor defense which allowed 24 points and 348 yards to a team ranked 10th in offense. Either way, his D definitely did not step it up. In their only other playoff appearance in the year before that one, 2013, McD's third in Carolina, McD's 2nd ranked Scoring and 2nd ranked Yardage D which had allowed an average of 15 PPG that season, allowed Colin Kaepernick and the Niner's 11th-ranked scoring offense to score 23 for the loss. Despite what some want to see, there's an extended history by McD of underachievement and choking in the playoffs. Care to discuss? And BTW, I didn't cherry-pick anything there, that's McD's history as a DC in Carolina and in every final playoff game of the three seasons that the Panthers made the playoffs.

So it's speculating that there's an existing issue between Diggs and Allen/Dorsey? It's speculating that we were told that the issue was non-football related, but that this "non-existent issue" actually is football related? Well, OK. I suppose if they were talking about the actual pigskin ball then sure, it wasn't football related, so technically they were telling the truth. LOL