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To make the roster, absolutely. I thought that we were talking about being the "top dog" in the WR department though. And yeah, agree on MVS.

I couldn't tell. You seem to have implied that they brought in Samuel and some other lesser WRs because they did not think that Shakir would be their big hope. My point is that it's simply their MO to stocking the team at WR. Apart from Diggs it's to sign low-end starting WRs at best for relatively inexpensively and undistinguished FAs otherwise.

LOL Right, like it changes all that much during the regular season. Then it turns into schizophrenia whack-a-mole depending upon Sunday's result.

Samuel's not making a lot of money either depending upon how we define a lot. It's starter money but not so much that if he doesn't do much more than he has that it would be overpaying. Just looking at it in terms of where we're going to get our production from. I'd guess 5 WRs but who knows. Oddly, MVS has been about as equally productive as Samuel has on a per-season basis to date, As to MVS' postseason production, have you looked at it? In 11 postseason games he has two notable ones, an average of 37 ypg and a TD every third game. This past postseason, his most mature, he logged a total of 8 catches for 128 yards and a TD. That was an average of 2 catches for 32 yards/game.

So in short, you object to people repeating themselves, being redundant, and saying the same things over and over again then?

LOL By Christmas I'm not sure that too many people will be.

So the implication is that Samuel is their "big hope"? We didn't sign anyone else that's even capable. IMO their WR signings are merely once again trying to get away on the cheap for a lack of planning. Three years for $24M and $7M SB is hardly breaking the bank. Either way, unless it's a Diggs type, i.e. a top-10 anyway WR, which Samuel isn't, how smart is it to rely on a WR that has never even played with Allen? Anyway, as mentioned, I wouldn't be a rusty penny on how our passing game is schemed or structured. I would bet that whatever we do, that it's less than optimal given the talent that we do have on the offensive side of the ball. But if Shakir isn't at least in the running for being our big passing hope heading into the home stretch it will likely mean that things haven't gone well.

Same thing. LOL What's the best that came out of either, who, Aikman? He was good, but he was hardly a prolific passer. Personally I would never draft a QB from the PAC-12. Their defenses are too weak. That's just me though.

Not sure what you mean by that. You operate under the assumption that the majority of "draft analysts" actually do much of their own analysis, rather than drawing on existing narratives and the "analysis" of a few. The number, from experience that is, that conduct their "analysis" from highlight video is telling enough. Either way, to each his own in that way.

Well, Shakir, Samuel, and Coleman are three WRs that will be on the roster, given that we have Kincaid as a significant passing threat, we carry what, two more WRs? It's anyone's guess who those last ones are, but Claypool's contract is about as minimal as it gets, suggesting that the team didn't necessarily go in thinking he was a shoe-in. Either way, who the other two then? Claypool, MVS, Hollins, Shorter, Hamler?

I have no idea what anyone saw in Rosen at any time. I would never ever draft a QB from USC. It's very analytical. That's how you get better info, from independents that really do independent research. Two guys from FSU put out a great piece on Manuel at the time with insights that no pro scout had produced. As to Coleman, you'll see what I'm referring to this season.

Allen was the best QB that Sherfield's ever played with as well. He posted only his fourth best season of his six last year. Allen was the best QB that McKenzie ever played with as well. He posted only his 9th best season in a 12-year career. Allen was the best QB that Andre Roberts ever played with as well. He did nothing here. As to Claypool, IF a lot of things. His contract suggests that he'll really have to shine in camp and preseason to even make the roster.

Part of that field is deep however and we have fewer deep options now. Many people think I'm wrong. They also thought I was nuts in my assessments of Zay Jones and Watkins too. We will see. Hope he works out, I simply don't see it. What I meant by his weakness is that he's not particularly good, below-average even I'd say, at reading all his options, being patient should his first not develop, and often taking the wide-open guy on the sides/flats/etc. that would be a big gain bc they're so wide open, he continues to look deep often. Also, is that why we drafted him and his "ability to make any throw," so that he could throw it like all the QBs that can't make any throw in a short game. Rhetorical, just sayin'. I would agree with you if the sample were lumpy in terms of constiency, but it was more patterned as the season wore on under Brady. We'll see, we only have two months before the first preseason game. We'll see. I'm optimistic and bullish on Shakir. What I'm not bullish on are McBrady and how they craft this offense. It could hold Shakir and Allen down. GO BILLS!!!

Well, as is always the case, there are narratives about him, the single biggest being the contested-catch one, which is flat out false. I've posted that analysis that someone posted over at PFF that disproves that as well in contrast with his draft peers. We'll see, but your statements above are a double-edged sword as well. Keep in mind, even more was said about Watkins and Jones.

Well, at a career average of 37.2 yards-per-game and an extrapolated TD production of 4/season, and having only eclipsed 656 yards in a single season once, are you prepared to argue that that's been above-average?

With you here, but I'll add to it. I'm not so much interested in the competition among the WRs. It seems pretty clear that the two leading receivers on this team should be and likely will be Shakir and Kincaid. If we weren't forcing ourselves into this "complimentary football" model it shouldn't be unreasonable to expect Shakir to post well over 1,000 receiving yards and 8+ TDs. I'd anticipate receiving yards in the order of Shakir, kincaid, Samuel, Cook and then who knows. Coleman is not NFL ready despite narratives. Top draft profiling sites have him listed as eventually being an average starter. IMO that's generous. I do not see him even approaching success in the X-WR role. For me it's more of what their plan is in the passing game. It keeps changing from season to season and has once again changed, now purportedly being a short-medium game. The curiosity for me is that this does not feed into Allen's strengths as a passer, it feeds more into a game-managing QB role. Some rhetorical questions: Will they allow Allen and provide for him to go deep as often as he likes to? Certainly our WR roster isn't built for that. Shakir is the only WR that has proven anything that is capable of going deep with much aplomb. Coleman in the X-role begs questioning. They obviously want him to throw short-medium more, how will he be in that role given that if he has a weakness, that's it. Last season his completion % and rating plummeted from 70.3% and 96.6 to 60.7% and 85.5 going from Dorsey to Brady. That's a 10% drop in compl.% and 15 point drop in rating, which is enormous. It's over a third-way down drop in rating ranking and from first to DFL in compl.% ranking. His passing scoring production was cut by 26%. He averaged a mere 1 passing TD in his last five games. What will impact the passing game is their plans for running the ball. Cook petered out last season averaging a bottom-dwelling 3.6 YPC under Brady not including that Dallas game. Even with the Dallas game he averaged 4.3 under Brady, very average, and a drop from 5.1 under Dorsey. Is the plan to use Davis in a big role? How is that different than when we had Singletary and Moss, both of which came into the league with greater draft potential than Davis. It seems that this team is going to continue to try to play '90s football despite our core talent being capable of much much more in the passing game. Whether that works out well or is much less the wisest thing to do remains to be seen.

Average temp in Miami in mid-September is around 90, and typically humid. Especially in oppressive heat and considering that everyone knows that Miami has arranged their stadium so that opponents are in the sun while they're under shade. But hey, if that's what they feel that they need to win, doesn't say much for 'em. As long as they keep sending Allen Father's Day cards we're good.

Who said that? That wasn't one if his weaknesses coming in via the Draft.

Well, WRT Samuel, again, IYO. I don't think that I'm undervaluing him at all, he's been a below-average WR in the NFL over 7 seasons, reasons aside. Claypool, we'll see. 5th time's the charm players aren't high-percentage. For Samuel it's the 8th time's the charm. Last year there was a whole lot of talk about Harty and Sherfield too. Keon has a moderate shot at being productive depending upon how we define productive. I envision Samuel being no better than the fourth leading pass catcher on this team this season, if everything lines up for him. There's way too much hype for a WR that's absurdly overrated in the "contested catch" category and whose collegiate production was based upon plays that aren't going to work nearly as well in the NFL for him. His personality and comedy routine is great but it's not worth anything on the field. IMO fans are going to be incredibly disappointed in his rookie performance. The original post of mine was in response to the hype video being Shakir stepping up. Think as you may, but it's incredibly unlikely that if Shakir, who's got chemistry with Allen, doesn't become our top WR this season, that a WR that's never caught a pass from Allen is going to be the one to do it. Claypool may not even make the team, and Samuel's averaged fewer than 500 yards and about 3 TDs/season. Pretty unlikely he does it either. Time will tell.

Good catch! Next WR was 5% points worse and ranked 14th.

Things are tough all over.

If it happens, let him throw up on you before the game. That might be your ticket into the showers. LOL The irony is that Alex Karras played DT for the Lions for 13 seasons.

It has to. As 89 implies above, if it doesn't, we're in trouble barring something entirely unexpected. Here are the receivers of any significance last season that are returning this season; Kincaid: 73 for 673, 9.2, 2 TDs Shakir: 39 for 611, 15.7, 2 TDs Cook: 44 for 445, 10.1, 4 TDs Knox: 22 for 186, 8.5, 2 TDs If not from Shakir and Kincaid, then it's not happening. Last season Shakir ranked 6th in Catch%, 12th in YPR, 1st in Yards-per-Target, and 1st in Success%.

The Mountain West Connection about to premiere in the NFL!! The potential is huge. What's not to love about Shakir! Maybe because he rates high in all of the things that a team would want in a high-profile player. Great background, very intelligent, very well spoken, and he also seems to be our big hope this season in the passing game, which is the highest profile aspect of the NFL these days. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯