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On your home field no less.

Agreed Presumably you guys are referring to his PAC-12 Championship Game vs. USC, which was one of his worst. He had the least yards of any Utah receiver in that game. Extremes are also not good to use, either way. As an aside, when drafting PAC-12 offensive players, one has to absolutely consider the softness of PAC-12 Defenses in general. I'm not a fan of PAC-12 QBs or WRs in round 1 for that reason. Far too many high-end disappointments.

Tahoe's used to be hilarious from 1-3 a. m. Agree on Jeremiah's, but I've been going to the Merchant Street Grill or whatever is called, they have great wings too. Schaller's has good plates too. I prefer them with fries.

The last time I went there their wings sucked. They used to be great in the '80s and '90s. Are they better again? I couldn't agree more. The appeal was going to the downtown location for the "ambience" back in the '80s and maybe early '90s. So many better plates from a food perspective in Rochester. That's interesting. I'll find out for sure next time I visit the Hentrietta location. It looks like they only have that one and on out in Gates open still. Good morning! Not Wegmans wing bar, they definitely earn a spot on the list. LOL

Yeah, doesn't sound like Rooties. Rooties underwent an ownership change I think in the late '80s or early '90s, the new owners ran it into the ground. That was where the wings that the Buffalo Mayor would bet his counterparts in Dallas, Washington, and NY for during our Super Bowl years came from. They were regarded as among the tops in Buffalo at the time.

You talkin' about Rootie's? It must've been an oversight that you left KFC off of the list? LMAO @ #1

The Southwedge one, over on Gregory St., they closed years ago due to disputes with the neighbors. Not sure when the Palmyra one closed. I thought that the Penfield one (now Bar Bill) was doing well before Lockdowns & Restrictions.

Thanks! I'll probably avoid the first few days as it'll be mobbed but looking forward to going soon. I didn't know that The Mighty opened there, I can see why that may have failed, but Duff's was a little bit of a surprise. I do think that lockdowns had a whole lot to do with it. MacGregor's at this location did well, not sure why they closed it other than that it occurred during lockdowns. It's a big place. If I had to guess, Bar Bill will do fine there.

Quit trolling. The discussion that I was having with someone was re: resources put into the OL, relatively speaking. If you want to change it, fine, just direct it to the person or people you want to have it with. Answering obvious questions isn't something I'm interested in. WTH are you talking about otherwise?

We were talking about the draft, so staying within that context, no, it's not misleading. Furthermore, 2 OL-men do not a complete OL make. Furthermore, Dawkins predated Beane. A lot of things "could" have happened.

We'll find out soon enough. I guess I'm merely curious as to why you and others are so high on Harris given his relatively pedestrian stats. ... except for (literally) against us. That's a little off the original point, but either way, nailing one pick hardly makes someone a good drafter.

You've gotta watch those narratives. Singletary only fumbled three times last season, twice in wins, once vs. Minnesota, but in that game Minny went 3-and-out the following drive and we got the ball back and scored a TD, so it didn't even matter. I'm not sure how he would have killed drives otherwise. We were 1st in the league in 3rd-down-convs.

No one was afraid of our RBs because they knew we wouldn't use them. We used them less than any other team in the league. I also distinctly recall reading in many a game thread many talking about how both Cook & Singletary were ripping off huge chunks of yards before Dorsey all but completely abandoned the running game thereafter. That was my primary point. Whether or not we need versatility is in the RBs depends upon the play-calling. Harris' TDs are typically goal-line kinda TDs. Is he really going to make that kind of difference? We don't struggle from down there. We ranked 1st in the league in 3rd-down-conversions, is he really going to add anything there? I simply don't understand what Harris brings that helps us, besides the narrative, which makes no sense to me. Sounds like simply more fan-based hope for hope's sake kinda stuff. Are we really going to become more of a pure running team now that Harris is here? The smart money says not-a-chance. I don't see us leaping from DFL in RB utilization to average. And yes, Moss was a terrible pick. But consider, Moss and Harris are similarly styled RBs. IMO Harris is a "mid back" as you put it, as well. He did nothing great in NE. ... except against us, literally. Against the 30 other teams he was the definition of average. We'll see what happens soon, how they even use our RBs. So far they've been an afterthought.

It is headscratching, but I'm not a fan of Beane's, you know that. I'm sure that McD has had a hand in our drafts also, but the biggest flaw that I've seen with them, apart from not getting the value commensurate with the draft spots of their draftees, is in not drafting the positions that would give us the biggest improvement in our ability to effectively navigate the playoffs. As you say, taking RBs on day 2 consistently, but only drafting WRs on day 3, and 4 of 7 in rounds 6 and 7, makes zero sense given where we've been and that we have Allen. Similar for OL. Round 1: 2 DL Round 2: 2 OL (one no longer here, the other TBD), 2 DL Round 3: 1 OL, 1 DL Round 4: none Round 5: 2 OL (one gone, one soon to be cut) Round 6: 1 OL (no longer here) Round 7: 2 OL, 1 DL (only this year's OL is here) That would be fine if in the playoffs our D actually showed up more often than not, but that's not the case.

Well, that's the narrative anyway. I would question whether we've improved at RB, CB, Safety or even held steady at LB. Singletary was more versatile than Harris has ever been in a season, he also averaged more YPC. Whether a bruiser 2-down three-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust type RB is an improvement remains to be seen. Our CBs weren't good last season, so improvement is relative there, we could improve but still have a very average unit. Safety depends largely upon the injury statuses of both Poyer and Hyde as they age further into their back 9s. At LB Floyd is a situational player and we have no idea how MLB is going to look right now.

Keep in mind though that better RBs hasn't been our issue. I also think that time will prove that Singletary is better than Harris, easily, and for certain he's more versatile. But our problem has simply been putting our RBs to use, particularly when they were running incredibly well. As I've said, it seems that Dorsey called games last year as if he was vicariously playing QB via Allen. Like a kid in a pick-up game that constantly has to have the ball. We all saw those games where our RBs were chewing up yardage by the bushel, and all of a sudden it's an inexplicable lengthy string of passing plays. It was odd.

You just hit on one of that study's issues as it person's to our discussion. Christian Benford suffering an ACL injury would likely end his mediocre career, if not immediately then likely within a season or two tops. Why? Because he's not very good to begin with. White is different. Not that that disputes its conclusions, but I didn't see any provisions for age or how good a player is. I mean it's pretty certain that a player that is fortunate to make a roster, with an ACL tear, would be finished in the league anyway, regardless of surgery results. It opens up after that and gets more statistically complicated as well. Just throwing that out there as one of its nonconsiderations.

I'm not sure that flawed is the right descriptor there. Like many or even most studies it's limited. Unless I missed it, I didn't see any accounting for age e.g. It definitely presented some interesting and relevant stuff.

Interesting study

At The U Dorsey always had either Reggie Wayne or Andre Johnson, and Shockey or Winslow. He also had Portis and McGahee as an aside. The question there is age/health. If they're not in the field...

Shhh!! Beane doesn't have a weak spot! Besides, that's not at all true, just look at his draft history: 2nd Round: 1 RB 3rd Round: 2 RBs 4th Round: 1 WR 5th Round: 2 WRs 6th Round: 3 WRs (none still here) 7th Round: 1 WR (no longer here) Day 1: None Day 2: 3 RBs Day 3: 7 WRs (only 3 still here, one likely in his last season, the other two from this past draft and last year's draft) So it's clearly not true, and probably best never to challenge Beane's methods here again. (sarcasm) Sidenote: The only great WR he's ever brought here, we paid top dollar for and had a drama history. I'm curious how good everyone would think that our roster would be if Allen weren't on it. We'll never know the answer to that, but I have my suspicions.

Which brings up another issue on offense. We'll see how things go this season from the coaching side of things. You can have all you need on a roster, but if you don't put them all to their most effective use, and appropriately in the right situations, then it becomes problematic.

Throw in another player and you're over 100. 😁 Seriously tho, Miller was a high-risk acquisition and unfortunately, although I wouldn't say surprisingly at 34, we reaped the risk end of that deal. At some point it's not unreasonable to question our team building methodologies. The other thing that I've not seen mentioned so far, is that we also still don't have a proven MLB. Given how bad our rushing D was at times, that should be of concern.

Sounds like a lot of risk and hassle for training camp tix. Too much for me anyway.

You may want to go anyway. I think there's places to get at least some of a view outside the pay area. At least there used to be. You can go there when nothing's going on, park and take a look around for possible vantage points. Parking during practices is probably a pita.