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Not at all. Edmunds played ILB at VA Tech and was projected as an ILB in the NFL. Williams was anything but projected as a MLB/ILB in the NFL. In fact, there's nothing at all in Williams' profile that is suggestive that he even has a good chance of being an even average MLB. nfl.com, PFF, and the others all say the same.

Well, it would certainly seem that he could have hired Sparano in at least one Brady-less season and gotten the same or better results, which shoots your initial argument in the foot about 20 times.

If it's fully healed, yes, if not, likely not. Players often elect not to have surgeries when they should just like they often don't come out of games when they should, due to concussions, etc. We'll find out on that and the rest though, very soon.

You should also add based on our approach to drafting and a seeming complete lack of concern for the position. At least that would explain the current situation. Sounds original and ambitious. I also think that only works if you have a LB that's also as good as Milano is. If you don't it could be playing with fire. We don't have that other LB on the roster yet. It is intriguing though. We'll find out soon whether there's an official MLB spot on the official depth chart or just two LBs. I'm not even sure why he's in the discussion. There's nothing in any of his major draft profiles that suggests he even has the skillset to play in the middle. Yet so many have insisted that they drafted him to play MLB.

Poyer did not have surgery by my understanding. Hyde had a back/neck issue and those have a nasty little habit of recurring. Both Benford and Elam have a pretty sizable jump to get to even average starter status. Let's hope that their "year 2" jump is better than what we've typically gotten from our draft picks. Floyd, Ford, Rapp we'll see. Rapp should be very good. I don't understand any particular excitement over Ford who won't even start. Floyd seems primarily destined to keep Miller's spot warm. Speaking of which, you forgot to mention Miller. Assuming that he comes back full strength, which is a huge questionmark, he's still on the cusp of aging out. The combination could be two much. With Floyd in for Miller we'll be somewhere between what we were there with Miller and having no reliable consistent pass-rusher. Either way, there's likely to be a huge unsolved hole in the middle of our D that IMO people are significantly discounting the impact of. No comment on the statement about the Offense? You think they can lead the league also? IMO, whatever they lose on D they'll make up for on O. Isn't it though.

One would think. Not for three seasons anyway, which is what it would take. Would I be off if I suggested that Kraft has more tolerated BB over the years than actually liked him.

I'm with ya, and it is mystifying, but let's be honest, drafting obviously isn't our strength. But if Kincaid is the Kelce clone that we're all hoping he is, and if Torrence turns into an above average G quickly, we can consider it a good draft even if none of the other draftees are here in two seasons. The offense is what's going to carry our team this season most likely, even during the regular season. Expect the D to drop significantly in the rankings, but with the #1 or #2 Offense they could land us a championship.

Again, to bad the discussion wasn't about Dorsey. Why waste our time?

Contrary to unofficial narratives here, Williams is a WLB and will back up Milano. He's got no realistic chance to play MLB. Defensive Counts: Dodson: 220 Bernard: 110 Spector: 12

I give up, how? The discussion wasn't about Dorsey.

What are we, in 6th grade. LOL Whatever. You claimed that he's been original, when I asked you how, you threw it into my lap. It's not that important, really, it isn't. LOL

It's also really not that important.

Not in and of itself, no.

I can't tell whether you're joking or not, but there's a context here related to the original post. Right now we're outside of it. I see that a lot, people commenting on the "last post," but ignoring the context that got it to that point. I think that may be where we are on this.

Perhaps, but I was referring to the methodology. They're no worse than the guys we never drafted.

As stated, our "efforts" over his first five drafts after getting Allen include a revolving door of journeymen OL-men, a 2nd-round pick, and a late 3rd-round pick in five drafts. Cincy drafted a C in the mid-1st in '18, a Jonah Williams 11th overall in '19, and an OT in the 2nd in '21. KC, according to PFF, had the 16th final ranked OL in 2019 but had a bunch of injuries there; the 4th final ranked OL in 2020, 5th in 2021, and 4th last season. Here are the links. 13th in 2018 with two top Ts and a slew of injuries to the interior OL. I'm not sure how any of that compares to our starters, which have generally sucked and have never been above average if I"m not mistaken. I didn't see us above-average there either. Maybe I missed one, but I don't think so. Either way, that's what I just found. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2021-offensive-line-rankings https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-following-2019-regular-season https://www.pff.com/news/pro-2018-nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-after-week-17 But the point was the effort made to even get them. It's difficult to fault the methodology if they at least try. We barely did that.

BTW, and for purposes of the discussion at hand, one of the ways in which Beane has been "original," is in getting a generational franchise QB and then doing next to nothing to build an effective OL in front of him both to protect him as well as to help him develop. Most GMs and all good GMS that have that kind of a QB realize the importance of protecting him and then do something significant about it besides a revolving door of journeymen OL-men, a 2nd-round pick, and a late 3rd-round pick in five drafts. So there's that originality as well. Just sayin'.

Maybe, but as some have typically pointed out here, there's not always snowstorms here in Buffalo in December. Cold yes, typically, but cold alone does not hinder a passing game, at least it shouldn't to that extent. We have clear-weather December games more often than not.

And yet, he outcoached the coach that you're defending as being great no matter the roster he's been handed, when he had Moss/Welker for Cassel to throw to, while Sparano had Pennington throwing to Ginn Jr. & Camarillo and on a purely apples-to-apples comp otherwise. I'll put it another way, Sparano, whom you just implied sucks, with no argument from anyone, led his 21st ranked offense and 9th ranked defense that season to the same 11-5 record as Belichick and his 8th ranked offense and 8th ranked defense in 2009, while beating the same exact teams for all intents and purposes, and while leading his team to the playoffs while Belichick was left out on tiebreaker, and you're claim by implication is that Sparano would have done worse on NE with more talent, while simultaneously implying that Belichick would have done better under the same circumstances otherwise, with less talent in Miami. Sure. LOL You know what they say about holes ... Over next to the stadium they have some excavators for you to borrow since the shovel you're using doesn't appear to be big enough.

People put too much emphasis on the #2/#3 nomenclature. Davis has a role as a deep Alvin Harper type. Harper probabaly wasn't a typical #2 either, but he consistently finished 2nd in receiving yards on Dallas. Davis does it well, catches TDs and logs 1st-Downs for huge plays. We have no one else that does what he does. He's a very effective part of the offense despite that he's not a fan favorite. If he catches 50-60 passes averaging 17 YPR for 8-10 TDs he's tremendously valuable.

Good point, no actually. So if the stats had held on average, Davis would have had another 3 catches for another 51 yards and would have finished the season with nearly 900 yards. As to Allen, he'd have finished 4th. I see no reason as to why he can't lead the NFL, again, my point. He still would have been 700 yards away from Mahomes. Imagine say 5,500 yards from Allen? Unattainable? Who knows, but IMO it's entirely possible, again, IF the offense clicks on Dorsey's end.

If Kincaid works out to what they said he will, then his role will be identical to Kelce's, their size has nothing to do with it. Kelce does anything but play in a conventional TE role. He's primarily on the field as a receiver. If all we get from Kincaid is "Hernandez," then it'll be yet another draft failure for Beane. Which TE Evans are you referring to? Hence my comment in response.

Agreed, but think about it, the more he has to scramble isn't a good sign re: the OL for example. Could also implicate the play-calling. Allen's got the arm, they need him to use it more.

Interesting point. The D has helped us in the regular season, but folded in the postseason with only a couple of semi-irrelevant exceptions in what, 9 playoff games I think. During the regular season we held 7 teams to 17 or fewer points, 10 teams to 20 or fewer points, and all but three teams to fewer than 24 points. Yes, in the playoffs we only go as far as Allen takes us as our defense seems to disappear then being one of the worst in the playoffs.

Kelce is an unconventional TE. If Kincaid is what the team has said he'll be when they drafted him, he and Kelce will be the only two like them in the league.