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No, that doesn't address anything that was stated. And Jones had only 26 1st-Downs. He was also a high 2nd-round day-2 pick, not a 4th rounder, and many many WRs drafted after him have outperformed him since then. Try again. I'll even kill your points. Zay Jones had 56 receptions and a fraction of the YPR and many of hits catches were on dead drives, and he was in an entirely different role, one of the higher-percentage routes, and still only had a bottom-dwelling Catch%. So no, absolutely not, there's no significant comparison there. None. The 47th is entirely irrelevant to anything that I posted. I'll restate it to make it easy; I have absolutely no idea how anyone can even approach thinking that Kincaid is contributing significantly at this point, but that Davis is not.

Way to take the discussion entirely out of its context to suit a contrary position. I'm just curious, which part of what I wrote threw ya? Most seriously? Which part eluded you?

Maybe even ask him to bring one of his free drinks back to you in row 26.

Daboll's doing in NY what Daboll has always done in the NFL except for two seasons with Allen, leading his team to a bottom-dwelling offensive ranking. This should shock no one. Except for '20 and '21 when Allen finally found himself, Daboll's Scoring Offenses as an OC here and in Cleveland, Miami, and KC have ranked 29th, 31st, 20th, 32nd, 30th, and 23rd, and his Yardage Offenses have ranked 32nd, 29th, 22nd, 24th, 30th, and 24th, for averages of 28th and 27th. What he's doing in NY should come as absolutely no surprise. It fits his pattern perfectly. His scoring offense there currently ranks 30th and so does his scoring D. In fairness, he has played two very tough teams.

I don't think so. I think some will simply never be happy with him. Last season, playing injured a good chunk of it, 35 of his 48 catches went for TDs (7) or 1st-Downs (28) and contributed heavily to us scoring and keeping drives alive. The types of patterns he's asked to run, and let's be clear, he runs what he's instructed to run by Dorsey, are low-percentage deep-routes. Allen likes him too for that purpose. Can't the same be said about all of the WRs on the team. Also, in contrast, everyone's applauding Kincaid, who has fewer than half the yards, about a third the yards-per-catch, 0 TDs, and only 3 1st-Downs to Davis' 8. Of Kincaid's 3 1st-Downs, only two have occurred on scoring drives, both of those drives leading to a FG, whereas I believe all but one of Davis' catches have been on drives leading to scores totaling 54 points. For a 4th-round draft pick he's one of Beane's best value picks if not the best outright. There isn't a day-3 pick that's provided better value for the pick. He's There were 16 WRs drafted ahead of him in 2020. He's got more TDs (23) than all but one, Jefferson. (28) He's got more yards than all but 7. Considering the TD/Yardage ratio, he's better than anyone in that draft. Jefferson logs a TD for every 192 receiving yards. Davis logs one for half of that, every 96 receiving yards.

Wow, that's a bummer. I remember when they started, they were the only decent stats/data site back then. That and pro-football-reference were my two favorite sites, this one primarily for basis data. pro-football-references started around the same time but wasn't nearly as developed back then as it is today. FO, besides DVOA etc., also had some cool stats that in former years were difficult if not impossible to come by, like average starting field-position for one. Ah well, things run their course, Schatz did great work. Props to him for starting it up before anyone knew what [football] metrics were. Curious to see where he lands.

Yeah, I don't get it either. He's got 3 TDs in four games, and his detractors give everyone but him credit. I mean what does he have to do. Of his 12 catches, 11 have gone for 1st-Downs or TDs, with the 1st-Downs contributing to scoring drives, I think in every case. Most teams would be happy to have a WR do that. He's on pace for 935 yards and 12 TDs, which by last season's standards would have put him at 24th for receiving yards and tied with Kelce for 2nd in receiving TDs. 24th! 2nd for TDs! But he's not good enough. It's mindboggling. SMH

All I know is that Allen's currently running at about half the rate he did last season and prior seasons. So that's a a major positive. He's averaging 4 runs/game, which is acceptable. He's also protecting himself better. The other half is that our running game in general is working, which I attribute to our stronger OL. In fact, it would seem that if there's a particular unit, as a unit, that needs to remain healthy, it's the OL. If that stays intact for the season, expect big things from our offense historically speaking. Cook will surpass his last season's carry & touches total in three games if he averages what he's been averaging, and there's no reason to expect that to not be the case.

All I know is that I'm thoroughly enjoying our play right now and hope that we remain relatively consistent throughout the season. The offense presently is on pace for 590 PF, the franchise record is 501. While it's more unlikely than likely that we'll hit that, I am expecting us to best our franchise record. If we average the same 28.4 PPG that we did over last season, we'll hit 508 and it's not a reach that we average more than that. Our OL play is at levels not seen on McD's watch. Side note: Torrence is outstanding! Cook's on pace for almost 1,300 rushing and 1,700 yards-from-scrimmage, something we haven't had here since Jackson. Diggs is on pace for 1,700/17 Davis is on pace for 900/12 Would like to see Kincaid/Knox get more involved, but considering the above, that's kind of scary if they do. The D, while allowing significantly more YPG by over 100 thus far, is holding teams to 14 PPG. Granted, it will be more against better teams, but that's excellent, and our pass rush has been suprisingly good. That's the important thing in today's NFL. On a non-Bills side note, I'm deriving immense satisfaction watching Belichick doing face-palms during games! The prospect of him finishing with his worst season since his inaugural season with Bledsoe in NE and otherwise while he was at Cleveland is gravy.

You know how it goes here though. I'm scratching my head a little bit. Through four games this season and last, we've allowed 55 points this season, 58 last season, but over 100 total yards more per game than last season. That's a lot. Our losses at 3-1 were similar, to the @Jets this season, to the @Fins last season. In both cases we outplayed the opponent but lost. The talk about our defense over the first half last season was similar. It also seems a little bit premature to draw the conclusion that McD's better than Frazier when McD so far is allowing the equivalent of over 1,700 more yards-per-season on average and a comparable PA. Even today, good game, but I credit the O. Miami logged nearly 400 yards of offense. We've come out swinging early in the season over the past couple of seasons. IMO we go as the offense goes. On that note, right now it's averaging 34.75 PPG. If that keeps up we'd end up with 590 points. I'm content overall but also hoping that it keeps up.

On pace to shatter our PF franchise record to date.

So you were the one throwing the dildos at Brady then? Not to mention being 0-2 in the division and 1-2 conference ...

Agree on Poyer, but those things need to be anticipated, not relacted to.

Double-edged sword there.

PFR has quite a few more statistical tools than that. I've been using them since they came out years ago. My go-to site for independent analysis. Great site. I have caught errors there however and let them know. They're good at getting back too. So are you bullish on Davis then too? Everyone's hammering on him, then comes your post. LOL I'm probably one of the few that's not surprised. You know my takes in Sheffield on particular. I won't be surprised at all, but who knows, anything could happen. Whatever he does or whether it's worthy of everyone's praise as a #2 aside, he serves a significant role at absolute minimum, and it makes an impact. People arguing against that are pissing into the wind.

That's about as close to my take as I've read. It's not about Edmund v. Bernard v. Williams either, to me it's about not properly and adequately having addressed the situation optimally in several years.

Well, let's get one in here then. I'm 6 years of Beane it hasn't happened yet

We'll see on Sunday. GO BILLS!!!

By that rationale, Cincy should go ahead and cut Tee Higgins then. Judging Davis on three games, .... SMH I stand by my assessment, barring injury Davis finishes the season with 1,000/10 or better. If that qualifies as good, so be it. LOL Quite possibly. I have no idea, guesswork at best. But that's on him as to whether he'd rather stick around with Allen or go elsewhere for the money. Happens all the time in the NFL. All I know is that Davis is the best drafted WR we've had. Beane's success at drafting WRs otherwise is abysmal. And what, we're going to pay for a #2 (really another #1) in free agency otherwise, and end up with better? We'll see.

A chunk? How about he's earned most of it on the outside runs. You may not have looked at every run, but I have. You and I can go through them when I have time, I'm gonna be swamped from now 'til game time. I think you'll see what I'm seeing then, whether or not you agree on the prognosis I can't say. Either way, I'm tired of going back and forth on this. My position is clear. If I'm wrong, good for me too, we're all fans, I'll be just as happy as anyone.

Yeah, I'm not seeing a lot of room for TOs here. I also don't think that we leave this game with anyone thinking that our D played well. This has the hallmarks of a trackmeet written all over it. Also, keep in mind, that last two games featured 8 takeaways and only 1 INT/TO. Miami's had only 5 takeaways so far this season, still good, and about the same TOs with 3.

What, is that a joke? He has 9 catches, ALL of which have either gone for a 1st-Down or scored a TD. He caught Allen's only TD pass in the last game. He has logged 1st-Downs and in one case the TD itself, on drives featuring over half the teams offensive points and on 6 of the teams TD drives. That's not making in impact? LOL OK There's not another player in the league with that this season.

So is the argument that he sucks, or wants too much money? I'm not paying him $15/season. Not happening if I'm the GM and I don't see Beane even entertaining that notion. Yeah, pretty much.

Well, to start, these PFF grades and other indicators that people are citing, generally refer to outside runs since neither they nor the Raiders ran much UTM. So not sure how stopping runs on the outsides is in any way indicative of stopping them in the middle. Yet ... I don't know about "wearing him down" per se, I simply don't think he's going to be effective against teams that end up running UTM on us, and IMO as the season develops, I'd expect opposing OCs that have the capabilities on their teams to do that, to do that. Any overreaction as stated is from people who equate making a few tackles on outside runs is anything even approaching being stout in the middle on those UTM runs. Again, look, maybe he will be great at that, the UTM runs that is, but if so, it will be bucking every single draft profile out there on him, so I'm in good company there anyway. As another part of the overreaction, is people that don't understand my position on either Bernard or Williams. All I've ever said is that in a traditional MLB role, which frankly they're not in, they'll have difficulty stopping the UTM runs. I don't know how to make it any clearer. I know that both are great at coverage. I've never argued contrarily. Let's see how this unfolds. I'd bet good money that his UTM inability to stop runs in key games is going to cost us this season, assuming that he continues in that role. We'll see. After that who cares, I'm happy to be wrong and a moron until further notice. LOL

Well, OK, so let's use that standard then. Which receivers on the team have done better on a "per-snap" basis? Here are Davis' individual plays: Jets: 2nd-and-11, 26 yard catch for a 1st-Down, to set up a TD in the red zone. 2nd-and-3, 6 yards for a 1st-Down on a drive that resulted in a FG. Raiders: 2nd-and-7, 7 yard catch for a 1D ... followed by ... 1st-and-10, 19 yard catch for a 1D, on a drive that resulted in a TD. 1st-and-10, 15 yard catch that put us at the Raider 11, and setup Allen's next completion to Shakir for a TD. 4th-and-2, 2 yards for a TD. 2nd-and-8, 9 yards for a 1D, ... later on that drive ... 3rd-and-6, 40 yards for a 1D at the Raider 8 YL to set up Harris' TD run. Washington: 1st-and-10, 35 yards for a TD for our first TD of the day and Allen's only passing TD. Allen only completed 20 passes on Sunday, and only one receiver had more than 2 catches, and that was Diggs with 8. The other dozen catches were distributed fairly evenly among the rest of the receiving players on the team. Hammer on them as one will, but those are just facts.