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Considering that he was a patently average DC in Carolina ... Knowing about defending an offense is much different that scheming and running one, much more knowing how to effectively use a special QB. If they weren't true, then you'd have DCs becoming OCs and visa versa. Complete alignment on the pressers statement.

Was watching some of the game earlier, didn't see much, if any, three man pass rush. I'll watch more when I have time. Do you know what part of the game they used only three?

7-10? If that were to happen then they need to let the entire staff go. This is a 9-8/10-7 team with just about any coach. Let's see how things play out.

LOL Great caste. Hank Azaria ... LOL Put a few "The Process" and "have to do better's" in the subtitles, and eh voila!

I'm sure it's a little more complex than that, but McD's gotten quite a bit of lattitude in avoiding criticism to date. The mystery surrounding what really happened with Frazier, same for Daboll, his taking over of the D, etc., at some point, namely this season, we were going to find a bunch of stuff out and have more dots to connect, that much was obvious before the season began. But here we are and the picture's already starting to clear up. McD was a very average DC in Carolina, and that's already beginning to repeat itself here. As to Dorsey and the offense, Dorsey, whom McD had full faith in, was McD's choice, so of course the responsibility comes down to him. He also shouldn't get a pass for having the entire top of his staff be people that worked under or across from him in Carolina, unless one of course thinks that the odds of the best people for the position were all on a Carolina team that had similar struggles in the playoffs that we've had here. Anyway, there's more to it than simply pointing the finger at Dorsey, but why McD's gotten away with almost none of the criticisms pointing back to him is semi-remarkable. But that's starting to change. One can only swap out the piece parts so many times and still have scapegoats.

Well, and we're never going to agree here, but the dropoff from Jones to Phillips isn't as great as everyone's making out. It's short memory syndrome. To start, Jones wasn't the wrecking crew that he was in three games this season any of last season. That wouldn't have lasted. As it is, it appears that the entire team D exhausted itself through the Miami game and that the tank has been empty since, with or without Milano and Jones but obviously worse with them out. Phillips and Jones have played about the same number of seasons and games. Phillips has started fewer than half as many games but in less than half the starts and about 2/3 the snaps, Phillips has significantly more sacks, more TFLs, and the same QB HIts in his career. That wouldn't be the case if the dropoff was that large. We've turned Jones into a legend his play against the Raiders, Skins, and Miami. The entire team went nuts during those three games. To the extent that they spent themselves. Again, we won't agree on that, but losing Milano is altogether different. But it wasn't an exercise for MENSA members to figure out what would happen if Milano ever got hurt. You know that. We'll see what happens going forward. None of this is worth debating though.

Yeah, common sense. But still, there's no reason why a D should go from stout up front to that with the loss of a single player. Also, a giveaway, is that everyone's talking about Jones as if he was a perennial pro-bowler or something. He's been a very average player throughtout most of his career. Last season here he was good but hardly earth-shattering. He had a great start to the season, but to think that he was going to play like that all season long is ridiculous. Be nice, but obviously wasn't going to happen. Either way, you've gotta make due. We'll what happens going forward. Again, we're hardly the only team that sustains injuries, and in fact, we've been on the lighter end generally speaking. I mean one of the Bosa's went out a couple of seasons ago and that D didn't plummet off the face of the earth. That's like losing Milano. But the problem there is no significant depth behind him and no one even approaching being able to take his place. That's on Beane. I know I've been mentioning it for two years. No doubt he was aware. They just have other plans, and when your entire philosophy depends upon rotation of players, and several go down, you're impacted primarily because you can no longer rotate the same class of player. Not necessarily because a couple of players are out. Make sense? That may be generally true, but it's still vivid in my mind him also spending much time in the pocket, or at least in his backfield. LOL I haven't watched the review yet, I'll try to get to that. This week's game is going to be interesting.

Spotrac could be wrong, IDK. Just plucked it off of there.

Well, OK, obviously, as it would be on any team. But does that explain the drop off a cliff in the production of Groot, AJE, and Floyd, who combined for 0 sacks, 0 TFLs, and 1 QB Hit among them? It could also be that we overrated everyone based upon our play against QBs like Wilson, Howell, Taylor, and Garoppolo.

Last season through 7 games we had 860 rushing yards. This season, 790 so far. 642 and 4 TDs w/o Allen's contributions. Cook has 1 TD, Murray 2, and Harris 1. Last season thru 7 games Allen had 306 yards and 2 TDs. Without him last season, the first 7 games, the team had 554 yards. Cook & McKenzie both had 1 TD.

176 snaps last season Two half-sacks 0 TFLs 2 QB Hits He'll be 37 before the season ends. 1-year $2M contract with the Eagles last season

No disagreement, but they knew that when they drafted him. Here's what we need to understand, yesterday's game forced our defense into a more traditional role, or at least that's the way it ended up. We're not built for that for the very reason you stated. McD's D has been predicated upon swarming players rotating in and out. In this game he had to rely more on his depth. Without Milano we have no one that's stout at the point of attack up-the-middle, even a brick-footed larger LB would have been useful, although he wouldn't have fit into the D the way that it's run. File under if you're going to run this kind of a D, best to make sure you have the appropriate depth players. We obviously don't, and opponents, offensively weak ones, have figured out how to capitalize on it. Still, it doesn't' explain why three of our leading pass rushers, all of whom played, two of which started, netted 0 sacks, 0 TFLs, and only 1 QB Hit. Rousseau, Floyd, and AJE, oddly all getting only about 50% of the snaps. Plan on seeing more of the offensive game-plan that Belichick brought. Our defense in general is average or so, but our rushing D is bottom-dwelling right now. It's one of our worst in franchise history. There's no reason to expect that to change. And considering that the offenses that we've played to date are ranked ... So far, besides Miami, we've faced the 14th, 22nd, 25th, 27th, 29th, and 30th ranked Yardage Offenses, and ... the 9th, 18th, 20th, 30th, 31st, and 32nd ranked Scoring Offenses. Coming up we face offenses on the other end of the spectrum.

Suit up! Let's see if it helps!

😂 A month ago who would have thought that the Tampa game would be a huge game for us. It will be interesting to see what this coaching staff is made of.

Oh, and consider yourself fortunate that you missed the game. LOL Honestly, it was tough to slog through.

Yeah, good luck. Others will add more, but players like Rousseau, AJE, and Floyd were conspicuously quiet yesterday and were the ones that needed to step up. Combined they had 0 sacks, 0 TFLs, and 1 QB Hit. Mac Jones went 25 of 30 for 272, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, and finished with a rating of 126.7, the third highest of his career. Their running game was consistently effective. To pair with our 56-10 rout by them in 2007, another kick in the nuts and cherry on top for this game was Belichick's 300th victory. So that's nice. 😳 Some still supporting Dorsey, but the offensive play-calling lacked imagination and creativity. Once again the team showed up seemingly sleepwalking into the game. I don't think anyone would argue that. Our LBs faced a more traditional task yesterday and proved that they're not built for that. McD's D schemes are built to rotate many players, as opposed to leaning more heavily on 11 starters, but if those players were not available to rotate, and of course Milano was out, you see the results.

It's interesting to watch this unfold. McD's starting to reasonably take some heat for the performance of his team. This is the season that people on the fence regarding support for McD are going to get pushed off to one side or the other. Right now, and barring some drastic unforeseen turnaround, they're ending up on the critical side. But once the wheels start coming off in that regard, the criticism of Beane won't be far behind.

Fear of failure should never guide decisions. Who's left from McD's time at Carolina that he hasn't hired? I think he's got everyone here now. ... and we wonder what the problems are. LOL. Here's the catch-22, he'll never hire anyone that's good enough to replace him. Hasn't happened yet. There's a significant gap in the toolsets of Goff vs. Allen though.

That may end up being prescient.

Yeah, I only remember seeing him once. On top of what you said, he's still going to cost us $24M against the cap next season if he's on the roster, $32M against the cap if he's cut. Doubtful that we ever see much more than slightly above-average play from him henceforth, which makes that contract an albatross. They'll keep him as they should, but it's costly. Hopefully he'll be at least an average player that is capable of starting. Then Knox's contract, another burden at this point.

Whatever's going on, this is the worst three-game string since 2019. It has coaching written all over it.

6 yesterday, out of 60 total D snaps Wasn't sure whether someone had provided it.

Is this part true? You're the second person that's mentioned this. Where did this notion come from?

Fun facts; This is the most points that the Pats have scored in over a year. Tampa has won both of their road games this season by an average score of 26-13. This week's game is on a short week. Curious how play given that.