Nephilim17

A very large (surprisingly so, to me) portion of this board wanted the Chiefs to win because, among other reasons, they can't stand Philly fans. Think this — and all the stuff we're going to hear forever about how great Mahomes is — is better than celebrating a Philly win?

Regardless of whether McDermott is the right man to lead this team, my fear is that if we do hit on a good offensive coordinator (whether it's Dorsey or anyone else) any success there will lead to that guy leaving for a head coach position. So success is the goal but it will lead to constant long-term offensive turnover. yes, the same can happen with a D coordinator but that doesn't worry me nearly so much given how today's game is more offensively vital.

Without a salary cap McDermott can get Pegula to spend $17 million a year on Edmunds, and it's the right move. But when you're paying Josh his money and there's a cap you need to make sacrifices and prioritize your needs with a very limited budget. To me, that $17 million is better spent on the O-line and draft capital is best spent on O-line and offensive weapons, with maybe a 4th rounder on a capable but unspectacular MLB. Would you rather use very limited cap resources to pay a linebacker $17 million to help stop the opponent's short passing game in the middle of the field — or protect our quarter of a billion dollar generational QB and give him weapons?

We've got that kind of player in Diggs; I'd like a mismatch player to complement Diggs. Especially someone to stretch the field so the safeties can't play low or bracket Diggs all the time.

The Jets had a great draft last year but let's seem them build our team with the same picks we had over the last few years. Be a lot closer. And throwing out QB is throwing out 90% of the acumen of management.

If we resign Edmunds I'll root for him to succeed, of course, but I won't love the financials at $120 million over seven years. Here's why: Our cap situation is NOT a one-year 2023 challenge. With Josh's contract EVERY year will make it challenging to pay for a good O-line, offensive weapons, an effective D-line and corners needed in a passing league. I don't see an MLB as being a cornerstone or essential part of an effective defense in today's passing league. Does it help? Sure. But it's not essential. So paying Edmunds $17 million a year (120/7) means that money can't go elsewhere to another essential piece. Sure the cap will rise each year, but young guys in essential positions will need to be extended, and you can bet that over time certain players will want to renegotiate their deals. $17 million a year for Edmunds or $7 to $10 million for another MLB and $7 to $10 million EXTRA for the O-line. I'll go with the latter.

Maybe Butler read the memo wrong and he's trying to help the other teams pass on us. 🤔

Sorry, OP, but what should Beane "learn" from the Miller deal? Don't sign older free agents because they have a greater chance of injury? Miller is a 1st ballot hall of famer and an outlier and can't be compared to 95% or more of other players his age. If he doesn't get hurt, maybe we're still playing now. Beane's made a lot of mistakes (mostly top end of the draft) but I don't see Miller as one.

I think if we get a third rounder it's no question: cost controlled contract for four years vs. Gabe who will seek a relatively big payday after this year. Yes, the draft is a crapshoot but Gabe is still inconsistent too and most agree not a true number two.

I think that's exactly what the OP is saying: Super Bowl - Chiefs vs Bucs: Bucs defense dominates the Chiefs offense and goes on to easily handle the Chiefs and win in dominant fashion. This would be the only year the defense of the next weeks opponent was ranked higher than the Bills defense, but even so, the Bucs were still just the 8th ranked defense in the NFL that year. AFC Championship Game - Cincy @ Chiefs: Bengals 16th ranked defense completely shuts down Chiefs offense in the 2nd half and goes on to pull off an upset and beat the Chiefs at home holding them to just 24 points (compared to our 42 points) to advance to the SB.

Given his big playoff game and couple more this year (there are always people enamoured with a couple flashy moments despite inconsistency) and a cost-controlled contract for one more year, I wouldn't be shocked if Beane was able to swing a player-for-player trade for Gabe or maybe even 4th rounder or something.

Some people here are in high-level meetings working on more...

Thought about doing something like what the OP did myself. But my enthusiasm died. Pretty hard being enthusiastic about anything right now as a Bills fan. Hopefully a couple solid FA oline pickups and a smart draft changes that.

I can see that McKenzie might get more YAC than Crowder but I firmly believe that Crowder will catch a lot more balls and that's more important, I believe for slot guy — make the catch and move the chains. And without last season, Crowder averaged, drum roll please... 14 games per season over his career. I think that's staying pretty healthy over 7 seasons.I think the broken ankle is more outlier than a constant. I'm not going to be one of these "fans" who would rather be right but at the expense of our team losing so if McKenzie comes back, I hope he builds on his success. At any rate neither McKenzie nor Crowder should start next year and that's good news. I hope.

Crowder had a 71.8% catch percentage in 2021 (12th best of all WRs in the NFL, not just slot guys) and has a history of catching way more balls than McKenzie. He has over 3 times the career yardage at 29 years old. I believe Crowder does better in the slot next year than McKenzie will, whatever teams they're on. We'll see...

More than one person has alluded to Crowder being injury prone. Here's his career games per season: 16 16 15 9 16 12 12 4 Really, the broken ankle this past year was his worst season and I don't think it's the same like a chronic soft-tissue injury some players keep getting. So take out that one season and was very reliable for three seasons, then just played 9 games, then followed that up with a full season, and then two 75% seasons. Not horrible. And if I was making the decisions, he would back up Shakir, not start, so availability wouldn't be quite as essential and he'd get fewer reps and chance for injury. I think his veteran presence with Shakir — if he's that kind of player to mentor a younger player — would be beneficial. Beasley would be great in this respect but at 34 in a couple months I think his legs are gone. I don't think McKenzie could mentor a 10-year-old, let alone another pro player.

This sounded good to me, but I checked his contract and apparently the Saints would carry a $26 million dead cap hit if he's gone. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/michael-thomas-18996/#:~:text=Current Contract&text=In 2023%2C Thomas will earn,dead cap value of %2426%2C174%2C352.

As a slot backup, I would be fine with cutting McKenzie and bringing back Crowder who got $2 million this year and might come cheaper a year later and after injury. Crowder is slightly older but has far more than three times the career yards that McKenzie has.

Lots of talk about needing to give Josh more weapons. I think most agree the other outside WR needs to be upgraded as a priority. But who's playing slot? My gut says we don't have the money or draft capital to spend on a premium free agent or college prospect. But maybe Shakir is the answer. 190 lb. and six feet tall. Good size compared with some other slot guys like McKenzie (5'8", 173 lb.) or Beasley (5'8", 174 lb.). And no, I don't think 48-year-old Beasley should start for us. What I like about Shakir: good attitude and focus (from the little I've seen of interviews and yes, this is very subjective); history of lining up in the slot and outside so he's versatile; cost controlled for years; fairly good speed; good hands and YAC. Yes, he doesn't have a lot of experience at the NFL level but given our lack of cap space and our more pressing, arguably, draft needs (WR2, O-line in multiple spots, LB, safety, edge, maybe LB) I don't think we're spending a pick in the top five rounds on a slot WR. But maybe I'm wrong. I don't trust McKenzie's history, hands, or focus. And I suspect Josh and management don't either. Tell me why the slot starting job belongs to Shakir, McKenzie, a free agent or a draft prospect...

That is nuts. But what's crazier is that some team looking to compete will likely pay somewhere in that ball park. Unbelievable.

Thanks. So if no guarantees of a rookie starting I'm guessing you won't be shocked if we only have one new starter on the O-line this year. Not the overhaul many want or expect.

I wouldn't bet a substantial amount of money on it as I fear otherwise, but I'd love to see the Eagles humiliate the Chiefs. Like 38 to 17 or something. But that's more wishful thinking than a prediction.

He meaning Joe B? Or Josh? Probably the former but thought I'd ask. It's it's Joe, it's quite the obvious statement; if it's Josh, it's way, way more than that though I don't think Josh is the type to critique his linemen in public.

I hear you. But given that the O-linemen we draft, even in the first three rounds, may not start year one, what's the alternative? I'm not being sarcastic here but I'd like to know how you would fix the O-line issue with this team? For example, ould you spend double the money ($15 million plus) on one premium guard or tackle?

I'd rather spend $20 million on 2 good guards than pay Edmunds $15 or $16 million and have a few million left. Get 2 quality guards in FA, draft 2 O-lineman (and a receiving weapon with elite speed or good speed and size and ability to win 50/50 balls) and I'm happy.