Joe Ferguson forever

gotta start somewhere. This seems a very good place....

Yes. I think if you or I cheated on a loan application and got caught we'd feel it. He's done it continuously for years. It's his biz plan. Mob stuff. Let the R's prosecute the D criminals. Better yet, let's have both parties call out crooks in both parties... Go ahead, call me an idealist

And the answer is to severely punish those that get caught and look harder for cheats. Not to look the other way.

I believe the trial starts Monday. I suppose if the jury finds he's not culpable they can give 0 damages.

https://news.yahoo.com/republican-donors-now-eye-haley-090355478.html I hope she does well tonight. I don't trust her fully but she seems better than the other R contenders.

I hope more of whatever is left of the real R party or are part of the redeemable MAGA base see the logic in abandoning him... Very few of the classically defined conservatives I know do...I read that Peter Theil doesn't anymore.

Ergo, trump is a criminal....see how this logic thing works?

Not yet. duh, this is a $250 mil civil case that could and most likely will sink his biz. Do you think that's fair given his civil crimes? didn't you want the Enron frauds to be punished?

why don't you debate the point? Were there victims of his fraud?

I shouldn't have expected you to connect the dots. silly me...How bout victimizing legitimate businessmen going after the same real estate deals while raising legit capital but losing out to a fraud?

The business community of New York. You think he should get away with fraud. Go pass a bad check and see what happens

This...And trump has made it worse. Biggest con men become the biggest winners! Yeah! He's enabled his cult to lie, cheat and riot without remorse. But, yes, always has and always will be scumbag cheats. I have no problem spending major effort to root them out.

read what the very conservative WSJ thinks about a 2nd trump term. but MAGA's are trying to redefine "conservative" around a fraud https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-truth-social-mark-milley-2024-election-joe-biden-a05814d4?mod=opinion_lead_pos3

rough night, huh?

so the banks caused trump to be a fraud? did you lose your home? Did you take out a mortgage you couldn't afford? cuz lots of foreclosures were on high risk mortgages that I agree, should not have been made by the banks. But that doesn't absolve the borrowers and it certainly doesn't absolve trump. When will you MAGA's learn that 2 wrongs don't make a right? Didn't your parents teach you that?

He very likely showed different numbers to the IRS than to lenders and insurers. You are completely wrong. Even if he paid more taxes (which he didn't), he still built his "empire" on fraud. You are so deeply invested in this human POS that you refuse to acknowledge almost anything negative about him. It's cult behavior 101.

so it's the NYT 's fault he's a liar, cheat and sexual abuser and found in separate court rulings to be each of those? btw, the AP agrees but you know, to MAGA's they're all the liars and trump is the second coming... https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-letitia-james-fraud-lawsuit-1569245a9284427117b8d3ba5da74249 Engoron found that Trump consistently overvalued Mar-a-Lago, inflating its value on one financial statement by as much as 2,300%. The judge also rebuked Trump for lying about the size of his Manhattan apartment. Trump claimed his three-story Trump Tower penthouse was nearly three times its actual size, valuing it at $327 million. “A discrepancy of this order of magnitude, by a real estate developer sizing up his own living space of decades, can only be considered fraud,” Engoron wrote. On X in the wake of the ruling, Eric Trump insisted his father’s claims about Mar-a-Lago were correct, writing that the Palm Beach estate is “speculated to be worth well over a billion dollars making it arguably the most valuable residential property in the country.” He called the ruling and the lawsuit “an attempt to destroy my father and kick him out of New York.” Under the ruling, limited liability companies that control some of Trump’s key properties, such as 40 Wall Street, will be dissolved and authority over how to run them handed over to a receiver. Trump would lose his authority over whom to hire or fire, whom to rent office space to, and other key decisions.

https://dnyuz.com/2023/09/27/ruling-against-trump-cuts-to-the-heart-of-his-identity/ fake, phony, fraud, cheat, liar, cult leader. By effectively branding him a cheat, the decision in the civil proceeding by Justice Arthur F. Engoron undermined Mr. Trump’s relentlessly promoted narrative of himself as a master of the business world, the persona that he used to enmesh himself in the fabric of popular culture and that eventually give him the stature and resources to reach the White House. The ruling was the latest remarkable development to test the resilience of Mr. Trump’s appeal as he seeks to win election again despite the weight of evidence against him in cases spanning his years as a New York developer, his 2016 campaign, his efforts to overturn his 2020 election loss and his handling of national security secrets after leaving office. The federal case accusing him of plotting to retain power despite his defeat at the polls three years ago paints him as a threat to democracy, as does a similar prosecution in Georgia. The classified documents case portrays him as willing to obstruct justice to cover up a reckless disregard for the laws that govern the handling of such documents. A New York prosecution stemming from hush-money payments to a porn star in the closing stages of the 2016 election sets out evidence of the kind of political skulduggery he professes to want to eradicate from Washington.

Cuz they got nothin else. Their mobster leader is going down for fraud and wasn't the successful businessman they thought he was. They now know that he's just a successful con man and criminal. They're trying to come to grips with it all but having a difficult time, having invested so much in him. So they search for stories that make the "others" look bad in comparison. It's whataboutism on steroids.

Trump just lost his business and has been found guilty of massive fraud of up to $3.6 billion and this is the story you find of utmost importance. Sad

No one cares. Put the Nazi behind bars for the rest of his life

Cassidy Hutchinson adds more details in her book. Especially like the part about Meadow’s wife saying all Mark’s suits smell like bonfires and the request to pardon Kimberly Guilfoyle gynecologist https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/26/politics/cassidy-hutchinson-book-trump-white-house-chaos/index.html

More details. Dissolution of trump org. He’s destined to lose his criminal NY case and the MAGAs here r already trying to rationalize it. https://news.yahoo.com/trump-basically-just-lost-york-203823076.html No. A MAGA made a list. I edited it

Can’t see the video but I assume it was referring to the initial study of 30k pts. It did show 100% efficacy against death. Further studies have shown less. Science is not static. New data adds to our understanding