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Yeah, Dave, and it didn't help that Cribbs' agent was also one of the Owners of the Memphis Showboats. I'm not joking, that was the case.

Anybody want a stat? Ok, how about this: Of The Giants (5-1), Steelers (5-1), Skins (5-2) and Bills (5-1), The Bills are the only team whose loss(es) come soley at the hands of a team with a winning record. Giants lost to the 2-4 Browns Steelers lost to the 3-3 Eagles One of the Skins' lossess was to the 2-4 Rams. Sorry our competition hasn't been up to snuff for some of these guys and the other teams among the top five have been so good.

Dan Manucci - no one wanted him to play ...and yes, I know Cribbs left of his own accord, but would we have fought more to keep him?

Sorry if this has been asked before, but I just haven't seen this discussed before at the odd times I come into TSW. Additionally, sorry if this is too far back for some of you, but for the elderly of this Board, it seems like yesterday. For those who don't know let me give you a little history lesson: 1980 - Week 15, Bills lose to the Patriots and Fergy hurts his ankle early in the game. The next week, hobbled by a sprain that years later we would find out is actually a broken ankle, Joe leads us to a victory over the upstart 49ers with a rookie Joe Montana, an 11-5 record and a division title. We go out West and lose to the Chargers (whom we defeated earlier in the year out there, 26-24) in the divisional round, due to a 50 yard TD pass by Fouts with about 2:14 to play. SD holds and wins 20-14. As some (maybe many of you know), Oakland beats Cleveland and goes to SD to beat the Chargers and eventually the Super Bowl 15 over Jaws and the Eagles. The obvious question: would a healthy Joe Ferguson have made the difference? Could we have beat the Chargers in SD, as we did earlier in the year, if Joe had two good legs? Secondly, could we have beaten the Raiders? Yes, the Raiders were a different team with Plunkett at the helm than we had beat up on them in Buffalo earlier in the year. However, as the Wild Card, they would have had to come to Buffalo to beat us, instead of going out to sunny SD. BTW, yes, I know that they had to go to frozen Cleveland and win 14-12, so weather may not have mattered, but in all honestly, I don't like comparing some of the lucky things the Cardiac Kids of Cleveland did with what the Bills did with a top flight defense and Fergy, Cribbs, Butler and Lewis did on Offense. Of all the teams in the Bills history and all the turmoil we have put ourselves through as fans, this is the one that I really thought could have been something more than what they were. If we make it to the Super Bowl how long does Knox stay around, even given his problems with Wilson? Do we still let Fergy go in '84 even though he is the "savior" that took us to our first SB? Do we let Cribbs go? Again, sorry if this is old territory for most of you, but seeing our success lately makes me think back to our other good teams and other potentially great seasons and finishes that just drifted away through time. Peace and go Bills!

True, and I think I'm changing my tune. Your point is well taken, so is Kas's point that we are the lowest rated 5-1 team. That needed to sink in a bit. I'm going to go even further; how much do you think they were really tempted to put one of the 2 loss teams ahead of us but just couldn't? Um, are we going to get a boast in cred considering that the Rams haven't loss since playing us? How about the fact that we have now beaten 3 playoff teams from last year, lost our only game to a good Cards team, and beat the Chargers by a larger amount than all their other losses combined (i think - OK, just checked, close to it 10 points combined, 9 in the Bills game)?

Oh, believe me, I hear ya, MFP, but I thought I heard somewhere that overall it was the lowest TD total in 16-game team history.

Guys, this got me thinking; how many offensive TDs did we have last year? Wasn't an all time low for the Bills, like 16 or 17?

jd, I am not trying to be one of those guys, but i really don't have a problem with it and until NY, Pitt or Tenn lose badily or win REAL ugly we are probably going to be stuck at #4.

Honestly, this story is actually more interesting with what is going on now with the sort of cover-up (if true) than the original issue at hand.

He should be more dynamic. ...or maybe wear shirts with a racing stripe on the side.

Naw, man, it is the genuine, grade A thing!!

No, Kgun5, it's my bad and my lame sense of humor. And if i was overly jerky in my response, my apologies. Peace, brother.

Decaf. Seriously, it is just as tasty as the real thing. Furthermore, Sears can also fix sarcasm detectors if yours is broken.

Ref: "Look, I can't begin to tell you HOW MUCH money they were offering me to take him out, but I can say, it was quite a bit."

Please can i second that, and who is she? EDIT: sorry, I mean dib's avatar.

I don't know how the NCAA can't see anything wrong with that. I don't know how any reason (other than illegal reasons) can be given other than flash back. Ref: "You don't understand...i was right there. I had a clear shot on the QB and that only comes up a few times in a lifetime, whether you're 18 or 48."

Youtube link, murra, to help those on the board who are uninformed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PSm3oGO10Y

Sitting around and explaining to the Lions how to win in this League is kind of like the witness protection officers trying to explain to Homer Simpson that he now has an alias in that Cape Fear/Side Show Bob episode. Although, I give Homer a little more credit.

You go down hill a lot. Geez, think about these questions before you ask them, will you?

JR, I watched it a couple of times, he got pushed back and to the right. Preston could have been riding him outside, but he still appeared to get into the backfield, or rather stymied Preston into the backfield. Partially Marshawn's fault, you betcha. Did he have a good game, yepper. I just really noticed that play. However, we do really need a new center. Sorry, Melvin.

Man, can you believe we are even talking this way? This is nuts...I love this season.

Yeah, maybe no influence on making it to the playoffs, but if Buffalo has 10 or more wins and Denver has 10 or more wins do you mean to tell me that a precursor to a potential playoff showdown wouldn't be of interest?

Yeah, but I remember on the 2nd play near our goal line, where it looked like Marshawn tripped, or popped in the air, was due to Preston getting pushed back. We need a new center either way...I'm just sayin'.

Ralph was really, really, REALLY mad at him. However, it doesn't make your point any less true. Yeah, it would have been better to have him right about now.

3cheese, please don't take this wrong, but there is no way, at least in my mind, that the playoffs or the division for that matter, are going to be on the line come that game against NE. As i posted a few weeks ago, I think it is going to be the Denver game. There is no way (again, in my opinion) that both the Bills and Broncos won't have at least 10 wins by that game. Although, the Jets game is a strong possibility, as well.