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R.I.P. to Gene, and prayers to all those suffering from Cancer. Troy Vincent is highly intelligent, would work hard for his players, but still bring common sense to the position... ...he might not stand a chance.

Epic. I love it.

Ouch. Seriously...Ouch.

I logged in, instead of my normal trolling, just to give props to you, beerball, on how brilliant this is. Thank you...and i am one of those old enough to remember.

Tremendous and then LABillzFan fan slams NBC, Awesome!

I like your thinking, ganesh. Great post. Also, great thread, Tipster19.

Bush thinks July (it was in an IGN article) but I don't know whether he was just being optimistic. Additionally, tennesseeboy makes a great point which I've previously endorsed, but which I sometimes forget; we should stay away at speculative picks at this stage. I do like Bush but we probably should not draft him.

I agree with you, Kuile. Look, I'm not holding my breathe, but this is a guy I think has a chance of being special somewhere down the road. As opposed to other positions, I think it is worth taking a gamble on him even if we get a RB in R 2.

Interesting, Bagel, and we are obviously starting to see a trend here in the first and second round. However, I'm wondering if we are actually seeing what these guys truly believe or really just the "trend" as we get closer to the draft?

Thank you Bagel, I agree with your questioning of the Marten pick, especially considering the bodies we already have in place at that position. I believe whether our day one picks are filling in starting holes or not that these picks should be in positions where they could start shortly. For example, with the personnel on this team I doubt that a third round DT or OL is going to see much action or even run the risk of seeing much action. However, another LB or potentially a RB that dropped (Bush) could show something early, even if they are not penned in as starters. If given my druthers, and considering the state of our lines, I would rather look for a back-up OL or big DT in the later rounds, depending on availability, of course.

Great post, JoeF. Additionally, although some may question certain things character-wise in the personal life of Eric Moulds, I think he exemplified what you stated. When he was drafted in the first round he was a great talent but did not make a dent for the first couple of years. I remember reading an article in the paper wherein either Eric realized or Andre Reed prodded him about the fact that it is not enough in the NFL to be a great athlete, but it is the extra time you put in, above and beyond, that makes you successful in this League and puts you in that next category. As you state JoeF, Mike Williams is a great example of the contrary; jeez, he had all the tools in the world to become great, he just seemingly did not want to work at it. Additionally, does anyone here old enough remember a pudgy, first overall draft pick by the name of Bruce Smith? A guy who was having an OK career in his first two years, who then decided that he was much, much more than what he was showing early in his career, and was willing to put the time and effort into being great as opposed to just being good. He did not just rely on the fact that he was the first overall pick, more so he relied on his own success being the engine that kept pushing him forward. Again, nicely done, JoeF.

Again, if true, then I could not agree with you more. Nice info and good post, DM.

You had me at "Sure." Even if he can, we're still going to go high with a LB, albeit it opens up our options.

Not to get touchy here, but yes, when they first brought him in (I believe post Moulds, pre-Price) they were DEFINITELY hoping that he would contribute to the WR position. Secondly, It would be nice if they could get a receiver in here that could do both (what was that guys name, Tasker something). Thirdly, to be kind, your logic to letting Davis go as a precursor or omen to us getting Pittman (not saying it won't happen) is tenuous, at best. Jeepers, we need this draft to happen soon.

Sorry helmet hair, but I have to agree with "Laces Out!" on this one. I know the Bills and Marv covet ST'ers as good as Davis but he does not come cheap, is getting older and the Bills may want to take a shot at adding depth at WR in the draft. I love our guys, but we do have a lot of veterans at WR that aren't necessarily as good as what we are paying them.

Well said, TGS; that was just plain dumb and it shows you that he is either incredibly ignorant or has a huge axe to grind. I think it's a little of both, but more so that this guy is a huggggggggeee ignoramus!

This is no offense to some well thought out posts that followed, but the above is true and the debate on the subject really does start and finish with Quaker's comments.

I truly think that in his 2nd or 3rd season this guy is going to be something special. Man, even if we get a RB earlier I would hope we get this kid in the 3rd round with our second pick. I know it is being greedy but I seriously think he is worth it, just not necessarily for the 2007 season.

Post of the Day. OMG, "drop a coil," are you kidding me? Tremendous.

There are so many good posts in this thread that i don't want to rehash things people have already said. Please just assume that I "quoted" 95% of everything written here.

Hell, if we are going this far why don't we throw in Losman, just in case SD wants him to compete with Rivers, and, I don't know, let's say a 3rd rounder in 2009.

I did see that. It is one thing to say that you disagree with the Bills' moves, speak poorly of them and then say they were headed in the wrong direction...However, this was more than that. This was a bludgeoning of the team and the organization, equipped with conspiracy theories (thanks Morty!) and outright lies (since when does being 8-9 million under the cap equal out to - paraphrase - "unwilling to spend any money"). Even though my other comments on this board concerning this subject made me a little sensitive to the a national attacks on the Bills, I was accepting of what some here said when you suggested, "the heck with them, what do they know," but come on, guys, this was ridiculous yesterday.

Sorry, I have to disagree. I've heard before it was his dream job. Even before the events at the 'Nati he would have left the Bearcats in an instant to take the WV job if it had been offered, even given how much he enjoyed Cincinnati. I feel bad for the players, but when your dream job is finally dangled out there for you, you don't pass it up. None of us would.

I'm starting to lean so heavily in Willis' favor lately that I will be very disappointed if we don't get him at #12. That being said, it partially assumes that AP is not their at 12. However, if AP is their at 12, regardless of the talent pool for RB being better than the talent pool for LB for the remainder of the draft (personal opinion), I just can't imagine passing up on a kid as talented as Peterson when he falls into your lap. This coming from a guy who sort of considers RBs to be a dime a dozen. If it were Lynch / Willis, no brainer - Willis. I think Willis is outstanding. However, I am among those that think that AP is such a special talent that all other considerations, even desperate need positions, go right out the window when the opportunity arises to get him.