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I know there were issues with him and Ralph Wilson and I know this is a "duh" post.
Dammit, though, it just swelled up in me to post it.
What would some of these years have been like?
Sorry I don't have more, I'm just venting.
Peace to all Bills' brothers and sisters.
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I posted the receptions stats to show you were wrong--when someone says they are "quite certain" of something but are in fact incorrect, it's good to set the record staraight. I posted the remaining stats to show how much better TT was than Cribbs, since that is the topic this thread seems to be discussing.
There's a reason his moves are the 5th day of Christmas. For a short window, Cribbs was a very good RB.
Very fair points, JA.
On a side note, I really do wonder sometimes what may have happened if Cribbs had stuck around in Buffalo from 80-88.
Seriously, I don't know. Could he have been at least "great" or would he have petered out by 85-86? It's a shame we (and he) never got a chance to find out.
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Your "quite sure" feeling would be dead wrong. Thurman had 60 and 62 reception seasons in his first 4 years...and a 49.
In those same 4 years (including his first part-time year), TT had 39 TDs, and 6800 yards from scrimmage.
So even in his first 4 years, Cribbs...as good as he was in that stretch...was not as good as TT in any category. After those 4 years of course, TT was a top back for another 4 years.
I'm sorry, at one point did I say take Thurm off the wall and put Cribbs up there?
I was wrong on the stat, yes, but your other stuff is pretty much minutia for a comparison I wasn't referencing...nice job, though, seriously, cause that is good information in showing how great Thurm was, and very worthy of the Wall and the Hall.
I said I don't think he will go on the wall, but, in the middle years of this franchise's 50 year history he was a very special back.
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Cribbs was more than very good...in my cognizant Bills lifetime (1972-on) I would rank him behind only OJ Simpson, and pretty equal with Thurman.
People who look solely at stats to judge a player aren't getting the whole picture. The way Cribbs was handled in Buffalo (in fact the way the whole squad was handled) by the owner in the early 1980's is a big part of the reason that many who have been around a little longer weren't losing any sleep at the prospect of Mr Wilson not making it to the Hall Of Fame.
Those were the best teams the Bills had since the AFL Championship days, but the owner pretty much alienated everyone involved. People remember Cribbs taking his services to the USFL, but he only did it, after fulfilling his contractal obligation to the Bills (playing his ass off his entire lame duck season), because he could. He was talanted enough to have that option. Guys like Smerlas and Haslett pissed and moaned about their salaries constantly, but people forget that. Cribbs went to the USFL, played three pro football seasons in two, led the USFL in rushing, and then, when the USFL folded, had to return to the Bills, if he wanted to play. He was beat up at that point, but played hard, the limited amount of time he was given the field.
Cribbs was sort of a pre-curser to guys like Thurman, a great combination of speed, strenghth, football intelligence... beyond being a hell of a runner, he was a great receiver too, in an era where pass catching RB's wasn't very common.
Cribbs won't go on the Wall of Fame, because you can't put everyone there, and, because as great as he was, he didn't play long enough for the Bills to belong there...but make no mistake, he was a great running back, not just good...
Well said, buftex.
I doubt he will go on the Wall, as well, and I was mad at him when he left and the way he left, but if this guy had stayed AND if we had a stable organization during that time he would have given us more great moments and numbers.
Just to breakdown from the link provided early in this thread:
In the 54 games of his REAL career in Buffalo (not after the USFL) from 80-83 Cribbs scored 35 TDs (20 run, 15 pass) and had 5600 plus yards in offense for us - about 105 yards per game (75 run, 30 pass), and caught 162 passes, twice eclipsing the 50 reception mark for a season, which I am quite sure Thurmal didn't even do in his first 4 years.
And, some still believe that there was a lingering question of whether the Bills intentionally limited his use during the last part of a season so as to avoid paying him his performance bonuses; but take that for what it is worth.
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Bruce. More sacks, and in a 3-4 defense at DE. Case closed.
That's the thing that does it for me which a lot of times the "Nationals" leave out of the debate.
However, to play the diplomat in this argument I'll just say Bruce is the best 3-4 DE of all time and Reggie is the best 4-3 DE.
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And if you are looking for some really goofy looking old football cards that truly bring back memories, try here...
Love it, Senator. Thank you.
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Besides Jets and Giants games what else is there. They play a few college football games but not much else. Other than the occasional concert (Mostly Springsteen) which fills like a date or two a year (Unless Springsteen comes to town).
So overall you play 20-30 dates a year. Unless I am missing something. The only other thing I know its used for is high school football for a few dates.
I agree completely, billsfan89. I think the additional 100s of millions of dollars are just an excuse to charge people through the roof on their 8-10 football dates a year.
Holy peanuts, the new Texas Stadium? Are you kidding me?
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Omaha? They are in Kansas City's market and not a very large city. Its metro is smaller than Buffalo's. Expect San Antonio and LA first.
San Antonio loves...
LOVES Football. They want it very badly and it is a good football town.
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I always have to mention this when the Bucs game comes up:
In their 33 year history this will be the first regular season game the Bucs have ever played in Buffalo.
Just FYI.
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Had some questions as to whether he actually saw any of the Bills games, as he mentioned Roscoe as a dangerous slot receiver. Don't you actually have to have receptions to be called a threat? Also he has Butler at RG, when everything I have read has him at RT. I think 3-13 is low but unfortunately I not so sure they will repeat the 7-9 of the last 3 years, as this schedule could be a monster. I could see anywhere from 5-11 to 10-6 depending on how things develope. Obviously I'm hoping for 10-6.
I honestly can agree with this, but I don't deem that so horrible given the circumstances.
3-13, though, is complete ineptitude.
I don't think this team is going to tie for the worst record in 24 years.
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6 year extension
I searched for a prior thread and could not find it...Hence posting it....
Will the Bills be able to pay Trent Edwards that kind of money if he has a successful year. After all, Matt has parlayed his one starting season in NE which is a SB bound team into a 63M contract. It is not like Matt at this point is a TOm Brady or actually won a championship. For Gods sake, the Patriots did not even make the playoffs.
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Look, I know it is a little foolish for the Chiefs to pay him that much, but I will say this, Cassel put up what should have been pro-bowl numbers last year (about 70% completion, almost 4,000 yards, 23 TDs and 13 picks).
I hope Trent has a good season, but I don't think he's going to get 63 million dollars if he, lets say, goes 65% completion, 3500 yards, 24 tds and 18 interceptions...oh, and lets also say, 8-8.
If he hits 70%, 4k and 2.5:1 TD to int ration, maybe.
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3-13????? Come on now. They're not THAT bad.
Williams' first year "gutted" team was 3-13...do the 2009 Bills resemble that team in any way?
No, I don't think so.
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I'm ecstatic TO is with the Bills, but that shirt is a little over the top. This is just about football, right?
Actually, I think it is just about fun.
Why is it over the top?
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No. I still play Madden '94 on my SNES, which is great because the Bills were good then...
Madden 93 on the Genesis...look, I know it is cheap but I could send Thurmal out on sweep, take'em right to the sidelines and then...gone, 80 yards. It worked 90% of the time.
Man, I loved when I could buy these games and the bills would be good.
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Here are some pics of the new throwback. They look friggin sweet. I can't wait to buy one!!!!
Ahh, it feels like deja vu all over again.
They're old, but don't worry my friend, it STILL is exciting to see them.
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Honestly, I know it's going to be a long fight for a rookie cap, but it seems like the easiest thing to do is to lock rounds 4-7 onto standard contracts. How much variation are there in those things?
Those guys also seem like the players who could benefit most by being under contract as early as possible. Not that there are any hold outs, but still - get them some certainty before they even take the field for OTAs.
I believe in a rookie cap. However, as far as compromises go, silvermike, I like your idea very much.
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How many Madden players are on this board? What do you hate or like about the way the series has gone. Do you think all the added improvements they are looking to implement into this years version will work out? When was the last year you bought a Madden game?
I usually buy Madden every other year. The last year I bought was 2008 so by that pattern I would be buying Madden 2010. My biggest gripe with the series has been a slow show of progress since EA bought out the NFL license in 2005. Which meant the NFL 2k franchise stopped and Madden was left without any competition. There are things in NFL 2k5 that have taken five years to be put into Madden.
Even little things like the half a sack stat take forever to be put into the Madden games. I also don't like fact that they feel the need to put in gimmicks into the game rather than focus on making the game more in tune with real football. For example in Madden 2008 they put in the weapons system (Example a guy who was a heavy hitter had a hammer on his player icon and it meant he was likely to cause fumbles.) which didn't make the game any better it was just kind of a gimmick.
Yet this year I am really liking the way the game is shaping up. It looks like they have found a lot of the problems with the game and are trying hard to fix them. They have a new pocket forming system which looks like (From Videos I have watched) that the offensive line will form a realistic pocket around the QB and maybe having a good O-line will actually matter. They also added in a new animation system that makes it much more realistic in regards to the way a player reacts to the tackles of other players.
I also like the new rating system. The presentation looks better. The online franchise looks cool. The game appears to have slowed down a little bit to reflect football a little more accurately. In conclusion I want to play that demo you get for preordering it to see if they have improved it but I like what they are doing in concept at least. I will likely buy Madden 2010.
I think Madden 09 was the best edition of the game since Madden 05.
I believe from what I have seen, some of it you referred to above, that this is going to be even better than 09 and not just simply 09.5.
...I will be buying.
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I was listening to Wgr today Mike Schoop and the Bulldog and he suprised me with a remark saying " Most people in Buffalo perfer the Red Sox to be there baseball team". I was very shocked he never metioned the Toronto Blue Jays.. But shouldn't be like that in retrospect. Shouldn't we like the Blue Jays because there the closest team to Buffalo. I never go the fact why people in the Buffalo area where mets,yankees,sox's, and indians fans when we have a team 90 miles from buffalo. So I was thinking unless you have a direct tie to one of those club's cities why are you a fan of theres and not the jays
Sorry,
I went to school in Ohio for a few years, was there for the 95 series and identified with them closely b/c of their 13 year tie with the Bisons.
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BTW - nothing compares in my history for Buffalo QB heroics than Fergy playing on one leg against SD and almost actually pulling it out - what an unbelievably gutsy performance - arguably one of the gutsiest ever.
Back then we all thought and were told it was a sprain.
Fergy KNEW it was broken.
Can anyone here say "Great Big Ones" because that's what that guy had, and still has with his health battles, today.
Thanks for the memories and God bless you, Joe.
Oh, and yeah, he would be good today.
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I have such a hatred for the other AFC east teams that it carries in to my Madden player selections. For example, I refuse to pick Tom Brady at any cost. I'll pick dumpy JaMarcus Russell over TB out of spite.
I also will not pick the Jets, Pats or Dolphins uniforms for any fantasy draft.
This
It is just too hard, unless the player is a really good guy...and pretty darn good.
...however, with franchising online this year, it is going to be tough to pass up some of those players come draft day.
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Being a huge NOLE fan the kid was a great possession WR for us and had an absolute horrific injury at the combine. It was so bad a few of the coaches there had said it was the worst injury they have ever seen. The fact that he is walking around is short of amazing. I hope he can make the practice squad at least.
Geez, BT, I remember this guy with FSU and I usually don't remember anybody. Yeah, he had some skills and I'm kinda interested to see this kid and how he has made it back.
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How the hell is Moorman not in the 90s?? That's robbery! He's the best player on our team.
I think he was even the highest rated punter in Madden 09, and although he dropped off a little bit last year he should definitely be in the 90s.
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http://www.footballoutsiders.com/under-cap...-cap-efficiency
Interesting that the Bills had the HIGHEST team salary in the League last year, and (in the author's view) "squandered" their spending by rolling over $0 into next year's cap.
Yet another piece of evidence that this team is horribly run.
Some of us have touched on this before and this is part of the reason why we scratch our heads over why some teams spend a ton of money but still seem to have great cap space year after year.
Nice catch, HoB.
Why isn't Joe Cribbs on Wall of Fame?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I...need...foot...ball...right...f'ng...NOW!!
You are right, we are all chomping at the bit and we need somebody, somewhere to start playing or practicing...yesterday!!!