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Halfway through the preseason it would probably be good, regardless of our euphoria, if either of the two guys in line to be the starter on this team for the past few weeks throws a touchdown pass. ...and I say this even though I voted for Tyrod.

I agree completely, eball. I am so tired of this idea that if it is not indicated in the rules to be cheating or against the rules that it must be OK is a bunch garbage. Change the rules to mention only those things you are allowed to do (film analysis, hire/question former players and employees, etc.) and make everything else cheating.

I am willing to give Woods the "when bullets start to fly for real" pass here.

Don't be a fool, reddog. If I tilt my head a certain way and squint, that almost looks like you are giving EJ a compliment and that will NOT be tolerated, not on this board. He is on the rail and ready to be ridden out. ...even though keeping him doesn't really hurt us salary cap wise, and he is a good teammate. BE GONE WITH YOU, SIR!!! Sincerely, One-of-those-who-thinks-it's-ok-to-keep-3-QBs

I can judge anyone for any reason anytime I want. ...it is my God given right as an American! Truthfully, I'm interested to see what he does with this little aspect of adversity. What happens in a game when the ground game isn't going as it should?

So much truth. I second this.

Where in the world do you find a quote from Marrone's mom?

Guys, this PO's me a little bit. I get that your stats are your stats, but it does look like they take too much of the players that affect (yes, I did mean "a" and not "e" - not resulting but influencing) you into consideration. OBJ is not that much better than Watkins (if at all) but his QB is better than "insert Bills QB here".

Jeepers, Dork, that is some dynamite analysis.

I AM confused on why we are below the Dolphins.

Dareus (94) K. Williams (93) Mario (90) Gilmore (86) Hughes (85) Graham (84) Bradham (83) McKelvin (80) A Williams (79) I am not 100% sure about a starting 11, but if someone suggests a group I can pull the ratings for the remaining guys. EDIT: But I think it is ridiculous that they have Darby at 70!!!!!

Sorry, gentlemen, it was a little rude of me not to include where I am getting this from. They have a spreadsheet you can DL for the whole league. Additionally, to give credit where it is due, a shout out to JPSoccer4 on one of the other boards I frequent found the link. https://www.easports.com/madden-nfl/news/2015/player-ratings?utm_campaign=mad16-social-global-ic-fb-madden-16-ratings-excel-081215-fb-img-site-lnch&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&sourceid=mad16-social-global-ic-fb-madden-16-ratings-excel-081215-fb-img-site-lnch&cid=41908&ts=1439396942870&sf39871931=1

Agreed BH. Man, what I could do with Price, Moulds and Reed as the third WR back in the day. ...and don't even get my started on Parrish! and Kdiggz, you know that if the Pats had picked up IK, they'd be geniuses! I am disappointed with the rating, as well. I thought for sure they would be over 80.

That is the rating for Cassel, Manuel and Taylor, respectively. Those familiar with Madden know that is a pretty bad overall score for each, and worse when you consider that your QBs, in total, average below 75. What is encouraging? Reasonably happy with a speculated starting line of Glenn (86) Incognito (79), Wood (80), Miller (76) and Henderson (76), with an average of 79.4. OK, not stellar but they should hold their own. What is there to get thrilled over besides defense? Our other skill positions on offense. If you have three WRs, a TE and a RB in the game it looks like this: Woods (80), Watkins (85), Harvin (86), Clay (86) and McCoy (88). Freddy needs to relieve Shady? OK, then you have a respectable 82. Oh, you have a FB in? How about Felton's 88? In the first Offensive breakdown I indicated above the average for those positions is 85, giving a 10 player offense average of 82.2. With Cassel at QB it drops you down to about 81.5. Still, for Madden and Bills fans it really does give you enough to work with for Madden 16. EDIT: Sorry, I forget to mention overall the Bills are a 79...it has been quite sometime since they were 80 or above.

I haven't read all the posts, but I think this is being misinterpreted even further than what the OP thinks. Considering when Brady is likely to be suspended ESPN isn't even necessarily saying the Bills are an 8-8...they are likely a 7-9 team, that gets to improve to 8-8 without Brady in week two.

I am confused by some of the comments here. Is anyone really hoping that if this kid truly didn't do it that there is enough circumstantial evidence to at least leave him on the hook for a while for the murder of his girlfriend in the hopes he drops and we take him because of it? If, as it seemingly appears for the time being, he had nothing to do with it then I hope he gets drafted appropriately given his talent. It is one thing when we can profit due to teams being worried about an injury and another thing as a result of actual legal violations of which an individual is working on changing and improving themselves (Henderson). ...but this is murder and it is a little sick that some are hoping that the unfounded stench of guilt sticks like spaghetti on a wall, at least for a little while.

With no franchise QB he was still critical in at least two wins (Lions and Vikings). At times, he was ignored in games where he could have made a difference (home against New England). Without him the Bills don't have the first winning season in a decade. He makes a difference. He makes them better; and hopefully even more so this season.

Joe Shipp

Please somebody tell what is more insulting: The complete disrespect for one of the top four defenses in the League (now, with a revamped offense on the other side) or the indication that apparently the ONLY determining factor of whether the Bills beat you appears to be the weather, and not the talent? Were the Dolphins lucky to get us in that most horrible of weather conditions month in Orchard Park last year known as September?

I wanted to put a Kikoism here, but it just...seems too late.

Post of The Day, Dork, so far in my opinion.

Man, Utah John should be struttin' like a peacock right about now.

This is ridiculous, BF4E, it's not like Cleveland has an extra first round draft pick to tr...oh...OK.

Agreed and that would be nice. If EJ were just OK, not great, but not horrible either, I could live with that for this year...if he ends up being the starter, that is. Plus, it gives him more experience under his belt. However, even if we sneak into the playoffs with him as an OK starter I have no qualms about going after his replacement. It should be a good year for this team...even better if we had a top 12 QB, but if you believe what the OP stated then we have limited options.

Not to speak for the OP, but I don't think he was suggesting coasting, just that from what we've seen so far out there he is probably our most likely and best starter fromt hose options come openning day.