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After more than 770 replies I still haven't changed my mind. I was wrong about the 80 grabs, but I still would have been ok with Watkins, Woods and Hogan.

I hear ya, Tuel, but I doubt he retires before 2020, and I honestly believe he will be as good in 2019 as he was in in 2016.

I gotta tell ya, I approve this thread. I would love a starting QB, 2nd WR, and a S, and I know we had a pretty good OL. However, for your offense and whoever is qb it is utterly critical to have your line always improving, where it can. No super bowl era Bills lineman is in the Hall and that is too bad because those were the guys that really made the K-Gun work, or rather allowed Kelly and Company to do their thing. Reich's back up tenure here is almost mythical, but put him on another team and he was extremely average. His line protected the hell out of him in those special playoff moments and that comeback game against the Rams on, I believe, Monday night.

I truly feel bad for him, but this is not one of the better guys walking around in the day. Reports of spousal abuse, family abandonment and when he was with Neilson after a sack he would separate from his team and draw an obnoxious "B" in the air for her towards the camera...real cheesy. Additionally during his boxing career his opponents were paid to take dives and MG knew about it.

Question (seriously): What does tanking get us and why would you have to do it? I say that from the stand point that 5-11 is useless. To successfully tank you HAVE to be Niners and Browns bad for it to matter and it wouldn't be tanking, it would be literally dismantling even your young talent. Starting from scratch or getting to uber bad takes more than trading Shady and Dareus and Williams retiring. 4-12 gets you Dareus, not Newton.

I really never feel the need to bring this up, but since we are putting our cards on the table, as a high school offensive lineman I wrote Jim Kelly a one page note telling him he should sign the 7.5 million dollar deal that Pollian had on the table and that he wouldn't regret it. I don't think he has. You're welcome, guys.

Post of the day.

Couldn't agree more. I am with you. I don't know whether you can trust my opinion, though, as I am also one of those crazies who actually holds the football people responsible. You know, like GM, Coach, Players. Generally, I have a problem s****ing all over the people who paid 1.4 billion dollars to keep my hometown small market team here (let alone, hockey team, as well) over the 5 million per year coach or the 16 million per defensive linemen.

I HAD A PONY! BACK IN POLAND MY SISTER HAD A PONY. MY BROTHER HAD A PONY. I HAD A PONY, AND I LOVED MY HIM! WHAT'S WRONG WITH HAVING A PONY?!! ...I always put Frank's on my eggs. However, sometimes I get a little adventurous and throw some Tabasco on there.

The bills should talk to wade, or the new HC should. Ralph is gone and this is a different organization.

In his 7th year in 1979, with no OJ since '77, Fergy was the number one QB in the NFL through 8 weeks and number one in the AFC through 12. Considering how limited his passing was his rookie year (by design due to OJ) he really became a passing QB, albeit with only moderate success, but nonetheless.

Wow...wow. Well said, sir.

I hear you and agree, tannins. However, you say, "Any savvy experienced media relations pro would have identified the risks with both pressers..." Truth is probably 80% of this board, with no experience, thought this was a bad idea. You need truth to power, and in his position he should have gone to the owners and the GM and said, "guys, this is a bad idea, don't do it."

Great post and great point, Bagel. As well I agree with Ry, Yolo and Bmur. Even if we had still finished at 7-9 I can't imagine we would have as much of a problem with TT if he had an old QB rating in the mid 90s (sorry, it is the one I am more familiar with), with 3,600-3,800 passing yards, 26 TDs and an average success rate passing over the middle. Jeremy White's comments the other day on an article he read adds fuel to what you're saying here. This year Tyrod had one of the highest tendencies (if not the highest) for QBs as far as percentage of passes thrown to the sidelines at 67%, with most other QBs in the 50s. Howard brought up that when you get to the sheer number of throws (may have been completions, so forgive me if I am wrong) he had 33 passes over the middle in 15 games...slightly more than 2 a game. He was 20-6 (tds-Ints) through 14 games in 2015, and was 17-6 through 15 games in 2016. He is good at protecting the ball, but in this league, regardless of how much we run, we need greater production through the air. In short, after two years of work with his QB coach TT is almost the same guy he was in game 29 as he was in game 1.

You had me at "Kyle Shanahan for Head Coach".

Very well put. I especially agree with the Browns perspective. I believe in everything you said. That aside, and regardless of his relation to Jim Kelly, I just think one of these days one of these iffy guys or late round picks is going to pay off and we badly need a payoff...and luck. I mean, jeepers, it is still hard to believe that a few years ago I (and others) thought Russell Wilson was solid 3rd round value and the Bills traded up when he was available, to get TJ Graham. I mean really, Kirby, someone at One Bills Drive looked at the board, saw those two available and decided to move up to get one. This league is starting to get littered with really pretty good QBs drafted after the first round.

KJ, out of curiosity, would you take him, and if so, when?

Let me also add this, if there is no curse then regardless of our ineptitude we should have already fallen bass-ackwards into the playoffs at least once in the last 17 years. My number one example: The expansion Cleveland Browns. Respectfully to our Lake Erie brethren, the worst team in football over this same stretch, and they still got to the playoffs with Kelly Holcomb.

BTW, and if I am actually going to speak seriously here about a "curse", I am not chalking everything up to the "Home Run Throwback" game decision and I am not saying that if Flutie starts all of 2000 that we go to the playoffs (although...damn, 4-1 in 2000). ...and additionally (and this is embarrassing) I was an RJ guy. I am just saying along the lines of trading away The Babe, we had a very successful (22-10), albeit limited, starting QB and I would give anything just to go back to the days of a short, weak armed QB and a 10-6 record...and I think we are being punished for our hubris at the time in thinking we could do much better at the position and that we deserved much better. That's what I mean by the curse of Doug Flutie...that we had pretty good and it wasn't good enough for us and now we are paying for it.

I don't believe there is anyway he goes un-drafted. That is truly just my opinion. He might go 5th-7th, but I just can't believe nobody would take a shot on that arm and the conference he played in and the limitations he was faced with his final year.

You and me both.

Regardless of his shortcomings (no-pun intended) are we suffering through this drought, which primarily comes down to QB play (along with questionable coaching and administrative moves) because almost two decades ago we kicked Flutie to the curb after a 22-10* record (including playoffs) and two playoff appearances? (* I believe he actually had only 31 starts, but in one of the victories listed above he was 23-28 and I am essentially giving him credit as the winner/starter.) Are the football gods teaching us a ruthless lesson based upon our cavalier attitude towards our quarterback at the turn of the millennium? I know it has been talked about before, but WTH, we have 8 months until the opening kickoff. Additionally, put me in the category of those who took Flutie for granted.

Well said and I couldn't agree more.

Children should be seen, and not heard...like women. They're noisy, obnoxious little miscreants who are a burden on society, and who let them have a phone the first place? Long time first time, Sincerely, Ebeneezer Scrooge PS - GO BILLS!

This. So this.