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I HAD A PONY! BACK IN POLAND MY SISTER HAD A PONY. MY BROTHER HAD A PONY. I HAD A PONY, AND I LOVED MY HIM! WHAT'S WRONG WITH HAVING A PONY?!! ...I always put Frank's on my eggs. However, sometimes I get a little adventurous and throw some Tabasco on there.

The bills should talk to wade, or the new HC should. Ralph is gone and this is a different organization.

In his 7th year in 1979, with no OJ since '77, Fergy was the number one QB in the NFL through 8 weeks and number one in the AFC through 12. Considering how limited his passing was his rookie year (by design due to OJ) he really became a passing QB, albeit with only moderate success, but nonetheless.

Wow...wow. Well said, sir.

I hear you and agree, tannins. However, you say, "Any savvy experienced media relations pro would have identified the risks with both pressers..." Truth is probably 80% of this board, with no experience, thought this was a bad idea. You need truth to power, and in his position he should have gone to the owners and the GM and said, "guys, this is a bad idea, don't do it."

Great post and great point, Bagel. As well I agree with Ry, Yolo and Bmur. Even if we had still finished at 7-9 I can't imagine we would have as much of a problem with TT if he had an old QB rating in the mid 90s (sorry, it is the one I am more familiar with), with 3,600-3,800 passing yards, 26 TDs and an average success rate passing over the middle. Jeremy White's comments the other day on an article he read adds fuel to what you're saying here. This year Tyrod had one of the highest tendencies (if not the highest) for QBs as far as percentage of passes thrown to the sidelines at 67%, with most other QBs in the 50s. Howard brought up that when you get to the sheer number of throws (may have been completions, so forgive me if I am wrong) he had 33 passes over the middle in 15 games...slightly more than 2 a game. He was 20-6 (tds-Ints) through 14 games in 2015, and was 17-6 through 15 games in 2016. He is good at protecting the ball, but in this league, regardless of how much we run, we need greater production through the air. In short, after two years of work with his QB coach TT is almost the same guy he was in game 29 as he was in game 1.

You had me at "Kyle Shanahan for Head Coach".

Very well put. I especially agree with the Browns perspective. I believe in everything you said. That aside, and regardless of his relation to Jim Kelly, I just think one of these days one of these iffy guys or late round picks is going to pay off and we badly need a payoff...and luck. I mean, jeepers, it is still hard to believe that a few years ago I (and others) thought Russell Wilson was solid 3rd round value and the Bills traded up when he was available, to get TJ Graham. I mean really, Kirby, someone at One Bills Drive looked at the board, saw those two available and decided to move up to get one. This league is starting to get littered with really pretty good QBs drafted after the first round.

KJ, out of curiosity, would you take him, and if so, when?

Let me also add this, if there is no curse then regardless of our ineptitude we should have already fallen bass-ackwards into the playoffs at least once in the last 17 years. My number one example: The expansion Cleveland Browns. Respectfully to our Lake Erie brethren, the worst team in football over this same stretch, and they still got to the playoffs with Kelly Holcomb.

BTW, and if I am actually going to speak seriously here about a "curse", I am not chalking everything up to the "Home Run Throwback" game decision and I am not saying that if Flutie starts all of 2000 that we go to the playoffs (although...damn, 4-1 in 2000). ...and additionally (and this is embarrassing) I was an RJ guy. I am just saying along the lines of trading away The Babe, we had a very successful (22-10), albeit limited, starting QB and I would give anything just to go back to the days of a short, weak armed QB and a 10-6 record...and I think we are being punished for our hubris at the time in thinking we could do much better at the position and that we deserved much better. That's what I mean by the curse of Doug Flutie...that we had pretty good and it wasn't good enough for us and now we are paying for it.

I don't believe there is anyway he goes un-drafted. That is truly just my opinion. He might go 5th-7th, but I just can't believe nobody would take a shot on that arm and the conference he played in and the limitations he was faced with his final year.

You and me both.

Regardless of his shortcomings (no-pun intended) are we suffering through this drought, which primarily comes down to QB play (along with questionable coaching and administrative moves) because almost two decades ago we kicked Flutie to the curb after a 22-10* record (including playoffs) and two playoff appearances? (* I believe he actually had only 31 starts, but in one of the victories listed above he was 23-28 and I am essentially giving him credit as the winner/starter.) Are the football gods teaching us a ruthless lesson based upon our cavalier attitude towards our quarterback at the turn of the millennium? I know it has been talked about before, but WTH, we have 8 months until the opening kickoff. Additionally, put me in the category of those who took Flutie for granted.

Well said and I couldn't agree more.

Children should be seen, and not heard...like women. They're noisy, obnoxious little miscreants who are a burden on society, and who let them have a phone the first place? Long time first time, Sincerely, Ebeneezer Scrooge PS - GO BILLS!

This. So this.

I'll tell you this much, if anyone is entertaining the idea of getting Romo, all other issues in getting him aside, then this team better finish 9-7 and show some potential, because otherwise he is just not going to show up.

If there is still a chance we could overtake Miami how are we locked in with Cincy and Indy? Just asking.

In short: 1. I want the Bills to at least be in it going into the last week, and finish 9-7. A lot has to happen, but as indicated in the playoff picture threads, it seems 50-50 that we could get to 8-7 and get losses by the Ravens, Broncos and Houston to at least technically have something to play for. And apologies to some of you, but I want to finish with a winning record, even if no playoffs. 2. I want continued success for McCoy. It is a tough goal, but I want him to lead the AFC in rushing and to be the first Bill since, I think oj in the 70s, to get 100 points worth of TDs. He won't catch Zeke for first in the NFL, but with two great games to finish he could pass bell (17 yards back) and Murray (95 yards back). Additionally, 4 TDs in two games would get him to 17 TDs, and 102 points (maybe 104 total, because I believe he had at least one 2 pointer this year). 3. I want the bills to lead the NFL in sacks. I believe they are currently 2 back of Denver, but that will likely change with Carolina's game tonight as they currently sit at number two with 39. I abandoned this team the last few weeks given my frustration with not only this season, but the last 17 years. Although I am not jumping back on the band wagon I do want some pride for these guys, and this city, as they finish the season. If for nobody else than my late father who loved this team so much.

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-28 games is easily more than enough time. -he hasn't progressed at all from game 1 to game 28. -in adverse situations he turns in to Don Knotts. The harder he bites it the more some of you guys dig in.

Yeah, we got beat at home in week two. When are we going to learn as Bills fans to give up this fantasy of, "now it really matters so they are going to be really good,"? They'll finish 8-8, not because I am being negative, but because they will finish 8-8.

I can't even remember the french I took in high school. Although Reagan was President when I was in high school. I hope his memory is better than mine.

Wow, Kirby, where are you seeing this? I have said since mid-season, they need to go 7-1 in the second half to make the playoffs. After Seattle...they needed to run the table. Although the NYT calculator says 10-6 gets you in 50% of the time I just can't reasonably believe that 10-6, 7-5 in the AFC, gets you in.