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First response. The very first response, with what almost everyone was thinking on their way in here. Well played, NB. I love this Board.

I second that.

Great point, Drive.

I gotta tell you I was one of the people who was willing to give him a chance and I was done with that chance after the Baltimore game. I also have very little problem leaving a decent percentage of the blame for that loss at his feet. If he doesn't pretend like he's Reggie Bush The College Years maybe we aren't out of field goal range at the very least or make a TD drive at best. Just stupid play by him and by Roman for putting him in over Gilly or Williams.

This. I mean he is a douche, but this. I also having a feeling that he could eventually be a more than serviceable QB in this League who could start. I am virtually just basing that upon numbers and the conference he played in.

Tangentially, and forgive me for hijacking the thread a bit, but since we are contemplating replacements I don't know whether in hindsight I would have preferred Tyrod playing worse or going 9-7 through 16 games with 3500 yards passing, 25 TDs and 7 picks...just to make this thing a little easier for me as fan. ...this just in: I am pissed at Jim Kelly for not being ageless.

I agree with you, Kirby, to a degree as others have stated above and as you followed up. BTW, please might I add that heading into next you I am more than a little nervous (again) about the WR position for this team. I think Woods is gone and I don't Marquis will be back so after Watkins we really are just a group of JAGS at that position. I don't really want to draft a WR in the first round, but I would love a #2, who when healthy, is good for 70 grabs...man, what are we now, 15 years removed from the 192 combined receptions by Moulds and Price?

Out of curiosity, do any of you honestly (HONESTLY) believe that the BIlls were better at WR this year without Hogan?

Roland Hooks, Buffalo Bills, 1976-1982. OJ, Terry Miller, Curtis Brown, Joe Cribs all ahead of him during his time. I would have added Rob Riddick for his 8 year tenure with the Bills (1981-88), but in checking on it he was the full fledged starter, and not just relief, for 8 games in 1986.

this. man, I can't believe I'm saying "this", but this.

A lot of these were obvious, but this is the one I was waiting for someone to mention. Brunell is a prime example.

I think injuries always matter to some degree. However, as I have stated twice above, I still would have gotten rid of him. BTW, Scott, thanks for being maybe only the 2nd or 3rd person that ever followed-up with me more than once on a post in the 13-14 years I have been here. EDIT: scrap what I said above as there was a typo in my earlier post, I would NOT have brought him back. Therefore if not for my typo you probably would not have responded a second time. I did intend to reiterate s a second time that I would not have brought him back.

Yeah he could have done better, but we are still up in the air, QB wise, our potential superstar WR was hurt for all but the last few games, throw in A WIlliams injury (and it does make a difference when that guy is out), Ragland and Shaq and it starts to pile up. Throw in as well, in my opinion, that overall our WRs group was woefully under staffed. I am trying to remember, but wasn't there a game or two where our number 1 receiver was Marquis Goodwin? Again, bringing Rex back would not be my choice, but I could envision someone doing it.

I mean, he wasn't wrong with SOME of the things he said in the article and let's be honest, this was probably his last shot at being a head coach (as he pretty much stated two years ago on HBO Real Sports). Contrary to what happened (and I know many around here wouldn't like this), but what if ownership had said, "We're not happy with the way things went and we are not happy with the way you handle certain things, but we realize you were dealt a bad hand by some things out of your control so you have one more year." Personally, I would not have liked it, but I would have understood it.

What was our banner here at TBD during the Super Bowl years (1990-93)?

I can't stand Brady or the Patriots. That said, I don't even say the following grudgingly anymore: he is the greatest quarterback of all time. Unfortunately, I have nothing else to say about him. Edit: I do have something more to say, because I just want to be clear and not mislead anyone. Johnny Unitas, Joe Montana, John Elway, Peyton Manning, Drew Bree's, Dan Marino, Roger Staubach, and the rest can't carry his jock strap. You know it, I know it, and everybody knows it, even if we don't want to admit it. ...because I am not really interested in, nor do I even remotely think, there is a call for debate on the matter.

Because we weren't sad sacks for being in 122nd place out of 122 North American Pro Sports Teams as far as longest playoff drought? I hear you, HT. I don't want the Pats to win, but I am actually rooting for the Falcons just as much because I think they are a fun and deserving team.

After more than 770 replies I still haven't changed my mind. I was wrong about the 80 grabs, but I still would have been ok with Watkins, Woods and Hogan.

I hear ya, Tuel, but I doubt he retires before 2020, and I honestly believe he will be as good in 2019 as he was in in 2016.

I gotta tell ya, I approve this thread. I would love a starting QB, 2nd WR, and a S, and I know we had a pretty good OL. However, for your offense and whoever is qb it is utterly critical to have your line always improving, where it can. No super bowl era Bills lineman is in the Hall and that is too bad because those were the guys that really made the K-Gun work, or rather allowed Kelly and Company to do their thing. Reich's back up tenure here is almost mythical, but put him on another team and he was extremely average. His line protected the hell out of him in those special playoff moments and that comeback game against the Rams on, I believe, Monday night.

I truly feel bad for him, but this is not one of the better guys walking around in the day. Reports of spousal abuse, family abandonment and when he was with Neilson after a sack he would separate from his team and draw an obnoxious "B" in the air for her towards the camera...real cheesy. Additionally during his boxing career his opponents were paid to take dives and MG knew about it.

Question (seriously): What does tanking get us and why would you have to do it? I say that from the stand point that 5-11 is useless. To successfully tank you HAVE to be Niners and Browns bad for it to matter and it wouldn't be tanking, it would be literally dismantling even your young talent. Starting from scratch or getting to uber bad takes more than trading Shady and Dareus and Williams retiring. 4-12 gets you Dareus, not Newton.

I really never feel the need to bring this up, but since we are putting our cards on the table, as a high school offensive lineman I wrote Jim Kelly a one page note telling him he should sign the 7.5 million dollar deal that Pollian had on the table and that he wouldn't regret it. I don't think he has. You're welcome, guys.

Post of the day.

Couldn't agree more. I am with you. I don't know whether you can trust my opinion, though, as I am also one of those crazies who actually holds the football people responsible. You know, like GM, Coach, Players. Generally, I have a problem s****ing all over the people who paid 1.4 billion dollars to keep my hometown small market team here (let alone, hockey team, as well) over the 5 million per year coach or the 16 million per defensive linemen.