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I stated it in another thread, but at 499 grabs, 5,390 yards and 30 tds we shouldn’t even be having this conversation, especially at 32 years old. He is the Welker replacement. That said, and I can’t believe I am saying this, but I believe part of the reason why this is coming up....honestly, is because Edelman is white. i don’t care that black reporters and black former athletes are also bringing this up. I think this is part of the underlying reason, along with the desire to make the Patriots overall success about someone other than Brady and Bill.

I was being sarcastic, Mango.

BTW, just as an aside. in their first game against the Pats... Jared Goff, 19-38, 229 yards, 0 TDS, 1 Int. Josh Allen, 20-41, 217 yards, 1 TD, 2 Ints, 5 rushes for 30 yards. Bragging rights? Not at all. Not great performances by either. However, I just wasn't overly hard on Allen after that game on the 23rd and the above comparison helps a little.

I could be wrong as I am going off the top of my head, but isn't this the lowest number of points given up in a losing effort? I think the next closest is the Skins with 14 against Miami and then the Cowboys, 16, against the Coltss in SB 5...Colts for that matter against the Jets in SB III, as well.

You know I respect you quite a bit, Huds, but you seem to be misinformed. From what many across the land say forget about Tom and forget about BB. The reason why the Patriots keep winning world championships or going to the SB is because the Bills, Dolphins and Jets are so bad and can't compete against them. Please ignore the fact that we scored more points in both our games against a team that owns us than the NFC Champion Greatest Show on Turf, The Sequel did last night. Oh, and this just in: people are stupid.

Still good enough for me.

As if I needed more excuses. i’ll take it!

It's why he was suspended, and I believe fined, for crying out loud. Look, punish the guy. Suspend the guy. Suspend him without pay. It wasn't very professional, but considering it wasn't actionable to end the guys employment is a little harsh.

Outstanding, Huds. Honestly, brother, how long has it been since we've had not only loved our line, but loved the depth at it? Knowing that if someone goes down we don't have to worry goes the next Bill up can go a game or 2? Man, I mean we've been pining so long for just five good ones the last memory I have of having more than 5 goes back to the sup bowl days. I wish Marv would have added OL to his, you never can have enough quality DBs statement.

Bandit...that is a straight forward and concise solid answer. Thank you, Sir.

Bandit, hate to ask the redundant question, but given the depth at both and our need for both, would you consider trading down to pick up something extra in the second or third? Yolo, my friend, you and I eat at the same restaurant on this subject. Cheers!

Once again I am torn. FA, or the possible lack there of with respect to OL, is going to be very telling on this draft. If we get one or two OL in FA do we put off another OT in the draft because it is deep and actually draft a iDT or Edge pick at Number 1?

CC, I get your point and it is a valid point. The young man seemingly has made strides and if the team does their due diligence and feels comfortable, then I am fine, as well. However, I would like to have heard that he made amends (weirdly that maybe means apologizing to, but also forgiving) to the person he was beating up, even if that person had gotten into with his mom. If that is his mom on the video she seemingly appears OK.

I respectfully disagree with going after Clowney. He would be very expensive, and yes he can pass rush, but I have seen get pushed around a number of times. I would rather have the cap space and someone who has less ability than him than chunking up 20+ million in cap space for a pass rusher who is suspect. EDIT 1: I guess in getting down to the nuts and bolts of it I would only pay 20+ million at any (certain) position for real franchise players, not players who we think are franchise players. Meaning, if Mario was the league's highest paid Defensive player I'd also want him to be the best...he wasn't. Meaning, If Dareus was at or near the league's highest paid Defensive player I'd also want him to be at or near the best...save for flashes he wasn't.

Will someone please listen to this man?!

NHK, if I am reading that chart correctly, and I believe I am, organizationally we have work to do primarily in the category of "Games Vs Brady". Given his future playing plans .500 is achievable, but no doubt, we have to get moving. EDIT: If we played him three times a year, including playoffs, and won every game we would achieve a winning record against him by the end of the 2027 season. ...so suck on that, Tom. EDIT 2: "30-29 or Die!" is now a thing.

My tourettes blurt out turned into logic with your insightful post, Huds. Tremendous!

...and ya know Gunner, it's kind of like the old adage...we don't need all of the OL in FA, we just really need two. Get two guys and draft two guys who can come in right away, to go along with the 1-2 solid options you currently have iand it shapes things up nicely.

That's the same story as Marvin Lewis. I respectfully get annoyed with those who think this is our imagination and that it is SCS (Small CIty Syndrome). EDIT: Thus, the true importance of having a franchise QB here...to drag others here in his wake

As I said recently and as I said during the season...even simply above average OL talent is not going to hit the market. It is too valuable of a position. Teams will let their WRs and RBs walk before they'd let their O lineman hit the open market.

Promo, the only thing missing above is... "mic drop...Promo walks away" Edit: Here is the thing, even if Allen makes no improvement whatsoever (and I find that very unlikely as he improved throughout the year), just from the stand point of this team being better at certain positions I think they will be better...8-8....again, this is if Allen doesn't improve at all.

And you know what, dammit, in my opinion Wade is an all time great defensive coordinator. I would love to see him get another ring with another team.

Kent was so good. My God, he was so good. We were spoiled at the position from 86 to 96.

The last Super Bowl was a quarter of century ago...more than a whole generation. No offense to anyone, but if you weren't there...man...you just don't know what it was like. Luka, explain to someone young that Third and 6 in the K-Gun Offense was a lot of times a running down, and it was Kelly making the call, and their heads might spin. ...honestly, you had to be there to see the way it worked.

Get the Ring, NRC. You and Robert...please get the Ring.