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...yet I still want it, because I see it from so called franchise QBs and that is the goal. Great Goff had 173 yards and won against an increasingly terrible team like the Bears, and that was just yesterday. I wouldn't take him over Allen right now. I want a Russell Wilson. That's what I want. That's what I want him to be. Our other warts be damned when we have that, but that is what I want. It is not ignorant to want the potential of a franchise QB. It is not ignorant to hope for Bills fans chanting "MVP" like they do for Jackson in Baltimore ( a guy drafted further down the list) and have it be a real thing. It is what I want and it is what I still think OUR QB might be able to do. ...I just need to see it.

This is such a great post, Hap, that I really can't find anything to debate with you on. ...wins are wins, and yes I would take 12-10 against the Cowboys on Thanksgiving. I honestly think Beasely can still have a record setting year (I believe he is at 42 receptions, and would need 24 more, but I could be wrong). John Brown will set his career mark. Note to potential FA WRs in 2020...Buffalo may be a landing spot for you. What we can all say in earnest is that Josh Allen is still going to need more help. We really do need a number 1, or rather a 1A over Brown next year and we really do need a couple of more permanent answers on the Oline and...not done yet...after Gore (what I mean is after gore either retires or leaves) we really need another RB option next year. Maybe the rugby young man, FA or a draft pick.

Great point, Hap. Man...I am treading on this lightly, even as I did in my earlier post. I want THIS kid to succeed, and he is playing well. Boy, I would just love to see him get "tested" in a game and show up with flying colors. He's proved he can do comebacks. He's proved he can prevent turning the ball over. He's proved he can increase his completion percentage. He's proved he can throw TDs, long and short. I just need him to prove all that against better competition, WHEN given the opportunity. I would so love to see yesterday's tally on Thanksgiving Day. Go BILLS, GO ALLEN!

I am an Allen guy. I am. I have been one from the day we drafted him. I only started to not give him a pass during the first Miami game this year. However, what I would love to see next week, against a good Denver D, is a similar game...Sort of similar. If he throws for 250, 2 tds, and no picks and completes 60% of his passes in a win (even if it is a 27-24 Bills win) I think that will show us a lot, or at the very least a nice progression against a good D. A 14-10 victory (good Bills D) and the excuse of, "Well, they didn't need him to throw for more than 170 yards in a game like this.", won't cut it for me. Of course I will take the win. It is just I am looking for the progression of a "franchise QB"...because I believe we are looking for a franchise QB.

That was so very easy that if I were the Browns I would feel 10 feet tall and bullet proof. outstandingly poor. Congrats.

I can eat a whole large pizza in one sitting. I think I can eat a whole large pizza in one sitting. ...can anyone buy me a whole large pizza so we can see if I can eat it in one sitting? You know how people use the saying "keep them in a bubble" usually meant to keep someone safe? Well, I wish we could sign AB a put him in a bubble for the purposes of keeping everyone on the team, in the organization and in humanity in general, safe from him. If there was little or no contact with him as a person other than Xs and Os we may actually be on to something. No interviews...ever. No nothing other than paying him and his play. Then he goes home. ... ... I'm sorry. I went to my happy place for a couple of seconds. Please PM about the pizza thing.

At the end of this year I believe they can starting talking to Milano (5th round pick, 4 years total and it will be the end of his 3rd year after the Super Bowl). ...I would start talking to his agent whenever they can start talking to his agent.

Was up early at the office working and I was listening to ESPN radio overnight (forget who) and after Gruden's win last night they were giving him credit for his coaching job so far this year. That was fair enough. Then they went through about 6-7 other coaches, some rookies (Packers coach) among them and saying what good jobs they've been doing. ...noooooo mention of a guy who equaled his teams win total from last year only half way through the season and who, in ESPN's preseason estimation, was on the hottest seat in football.

A Bills over Browns on the road 1990 type of victory...although it doesn't have to be 42-0, but I wouldn't argue with that outcome. Jets and Dolphins keep winning as they are not going to hurt us from here on out against other teams, also they can actually help us with playoff position, makes our schedule look a little more difficult, and most importantly, it might keep Adam Gase in New York.

I've said this so many times over the course of the season: the Bills most egregious sin in 2019 is that they are not a good fantasy team. They used to sing songs about the Bears defense in the 80s. However, in this day and age while watching a game with a large group of people you look around and see almost 90% of them are looking down at their phones, sometimes while a play is going on...and well...you kind of know your time has come and gone. Therefore and honestly, in this day and age the Bills aren't overlooked because of their easy schedule and "sometimes" offense, they are overlooked because they don't mean anything points wise to the "Three Lards And A Cloud Of Buds" team in their keeper league at ACME, Inc. ...their offense does need to score more, though.

Please, BBG, never once thought that you were crapping on the thread. Both of your posts were really good, my friend. I will stress this about Fitzy, I also said this in an earlier thread and here as well...I would love to see the guy give up on being the number 1 guy and go to a place (if there is some successful team willing to take him) where the team is really good. Agreed that the QB elevates the team, and sometimes he did, and man sometimes he didn't. I am about to commit sacrilege here...Frank Reich was so good when he played on the 80s and 90s Bills teams and when he wasn't...man...he just didn't elevate anything in Carolina. ...I would like to see Fitzy in that situation as back up, just once, out of no other reason than I am just really curious to see it. What if he had to come in for a game for New Orleans? He is no Teddy Bridgewater and if forced to play a number of games wouldn't have similar success. ...but it would be interesting to see because, frankly, we've never seen it.

The thing is also, teef, when he goes on the run he throws some beautiful balls, too. Yes some duds, but man I love watching the replays of some of these throws he's making (completed or not) when he giddy-ups*. *Intentional Western or "Buffalo Bill" reference.

HUDS, I am such a terrible fan. As maybe you are the only person around here who would notice my absence, other than the Board members I owe money (SDS is killing me on the membership fees here...I didn't even know there were any!), it is obvious that I disappear after losses. I just don't like focusing on them or talking about them after losses or bad games. There is nothing I can do about it and it doesn't bring me any joy so I just do other things during the week. ...like the lost art of macrame.

That sent a chill down my spine, Rocket. I don't believe that will be us next year...but still...please, please don't let that be us next year. Again, don't think it will be if no other reason I just think these two are built differently from the ground up, regardless of their football statistic similarities. BTW, also annoying that a team like Chicago still doesn't take any heat for not taking Mahomes. It's kind of working, HUDS. I feel no reason to turn on the TV when the Bears are playing.

Some great receivers there, BBG, indeed. However, even when Fitzy wasn't starting were these good teams? Did Fitzy take the field with teams that were 5-2 (without help from him) and just screw it up? I have no memory of a scenario were the team was really good and he messed up a good thing. However, I am just going off memory and I could be wrong.

Was it my imagination, and it could be, that every time Frank Gore got into the game they gave him the ball. Rarely have I seen any offense so telegraphed. They virtually said almost every single time, 'Washington, we are going to hand off to Frank now."

thanks for wasting two more minutes. Let's be serious, too, the M-5 really could have F'd them up. At least on Mudd's android world ( i know, not really Mudd's) there would be some upside...Oh wow, was there some upside.

I have a long history of digging Corta...not going to change that now.

Thank you for wasting the last two minutes of my life. Please don't suggest things that permeate my soft gray matter and turns me into a drone of little use to anyone for a period of time. I would say I am Norman ("1") to your Captain Kirk from the classic Star Trek episode "I, Mudd" (don't make me say "Original Series" you trolls), but that would be giving myself too much credit...other than the nicely arcane reference.

Whoever knew that winning could be so sinful?! ...seriously, not us...we literally don't see enough winning to even piece it together with any sort of veteran panache.

If the Bills make the playoffs, forget about it HUDS. We've EARNED the right to get fatter then. I'm thinking Skyline (style) chili for all! Come to Butthead

BRD, I said before in an earlier post that I would like to see J. Philips stay, possibly in the 7-8 million range. I now think it is going to cost more than that, but my opinion hasn't changed.

No lie, we had Cheetos in the house and last night I go down stairs to turn the lights off at around 10:45, I see the bag and i proceed to eat 1/3 of the bag. one at a time... just standing there in the pantry... no tv... no music... no anything. Just standing there eating Cheetos and barely thinking at all. ...on Judgment Day I just hope they skip over those few minutes and focus on that time I saved a puppy.

ATL...you won the internet today. Please enjoy it....I am laughing quite a bit. Gray, I would like to see him give up on being a starter and go to a good team, just once through out the miserable 8 teams he has played for. Is it to see him win? No. Really, it is for once to see him, if only for half, play with a team that is really good. By no means would that mean he is anything more than what he has always been. However...aren't we just a little curious to see that?

Congratulations to former Buffalo Bill Ryan Fitzpatrick who this last weekend passed former Buffalo Bill Joe Ferguson on the all time TD pass list. Fitz now has 198 career TD passes (45th) while Fergy has 196 (tied for 48th). Along the way this weekend Fitz also passed Andy Dalton, Steve DeBerg, Bobby Lane and Kenny Anderson, just to name a few. A couple of weeks back he passed Ken Stabler. The next few weeks could see him passing Phil Simms, Roman Gabriel, Randall Cunningham, Jim Everett and Kurt Warner, if he gets on a roll. Please note I've stated nothing further about the above than just historically significant milestones, so respectfully please don't turn this into, 'Whoa, this guy thinks Fitzy should be in the Hall of Fame! Who the hell does he think he is?! Time to finish my beer and Cheetos and bring this guy down a peg!!! ...what's my password again?"* * This self dialogue may, or may not take place in the homes of some, or one of us, on this Board. It is used for example purposes only...I hope.