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On 4/12/2024 at 1:00 PM, T master said:
I'm hoping that being fully healthy this season & showing some flashes that he has when playing that the switch will turn on & he will become the player they thought he would be & our secondary will be as strong or better for it with him coming around !!
I think he'll get better, maybe very good. McD said that he realizes the need to incorporate more man. He said we need to be able to adapt.
I didn't know if I'd ever see this from him ever or not, but very encouraged.
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15 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:
Troy Franklin obviously interests the Bills, but I don’t think he is worth a late first round pick. He would certainly have a chance to help the Bills passing offense right away, but I have a lot of reservations about him. I think the number of visits and workouts he has had with the Bills means that they are still not sure what to make of him. Is he what he looked like on film or is he what he looked like at the Combine? I think at minimum he can be Gabe Davis - better in the passing game, but nowhere near the blocker Davis is. I’m concerned about inconsistent hands, his thin stature and whether he can become a more refined route runner. If he reaches his potential, he might become a good deep threat who can make plays at the intermediate level as DBs will have to respect his deep speed. I don’t think he will be dominant, but he could be good+.
I think McKinstry would be interesting. I don’t think it’s out of the question that he could beat out Douglas or Benford. CB is a much bigger need than many think.
I’ll play: how would Chop Robinson, Laiatu Latu or Jared Verse impact the Bills?
If this guy makes it to 20...hopefully 24-26, you have to take him and then start wheeling and dealing to get back in the WR game.
I'm a no on Chop and Verse is long gone.
8 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:No one seems to want to play by the initial rules. I think the way it is supposed to work, you comment on a player, then propose someone else for the next poster to comment on, and so forth. Regardless, I'll comment on your comment on Bowers and propose someone to think about (and note: the game is not confined to pick #28, so you can name someone who would be picked later on.)
Some will think you are simply replicating Kincaid by choosing Bowers. I think Bowers can play outside some, and I'd be tempted to try that experiment, but you would have to trade up for Bowers about as far as you would trade up for maybe Odunze. You can trade up for Thomas at the same or lesser price point, and I would expect that is the route Beane would go if he made that investment.
Player for next poster to consider: T'Vondre Sweat.
I would love Sweat. How far will he fall? K.C getting him would make me ill.
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5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I think that I agree here. With the Bills resetting the cap next year though, it could make sense. It could be both as well. If the Bills make the deal referenced above (for example) they can still take a guy at 28 because they have a starting spot available. If you added Ayiuk (for example) you can take a higher upside guy with some question marks at 28 (Mitchell, Legette or gasp, Coleman). I’m not advocating for it but could certainly get behind it.
Ladd and Legette would be really nice IMO.
But if one were forced to choose, do you take Ladd, miss Legette and shoot for Walker/ Burton /Baker/Polk? Or get Leggette than maybe target a Pearsall?
Ladd and Legette would a dream to me.
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17 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:
Next year’s first might not even be worth pick 41 in this draft. You are unlikely to get 41+ more for it. It’s poor business overall trading future picks.
I know where you stand on this, but in my gut BB is gonna produce 2 extra picks and look to stock the cupboard. And how is he gonna achieve that?
It sure as Hell ain't gonna be by using late round picks. They wouldn't get us to 100.
Trading back from 28 just to have something to move up from 60 with would not make much sense....to me.
So it's gonna have to come from 25. And if next year we're supposed to have plenty of FA money, we should try to make hay in this draft.
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I'm for keeping 28 unless someone like Latu, Thomas or Murphy are there 24-28.
But, I am all for trading next years 1st to maybe GB for 41 and 88....unless there's a better deal to be made.
Point is we need 4 picks in the first 100 and our later picks can be used to jockey around if need be. We still have 2 2nds next year.
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On 3/26/2024 at 9:47 PM, JohnBonhamRocks said:
Would be happy with either and about 50/50 but I’m almost leaning McConkey for his route runningI think Ladd would be the choice as they can see him coming right in and taking 70+ targets with no problem. Hopefully they then have a plan to get Legette.
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32 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:
I would not want to trade next year’s picks this year. Going in, you are accepting $0.50 on the dollar when you do that. The 2025 picks are worth a round more next year than they are this year.
2025 Picks be damned. We need pieces in place this year and it just so happens to be a good year to do it.
For example: If somehow Murphy or Latu make it to 24, IDK if I can pass that, so that means throwing a 2025 1st, 26-32 pick and a 2nd in that area to get right back in the game. I'd turn that 1st into a 2nd and 3rd and that 2nd for a 3rd.
I'm not worried. We can get a WR at 28 then whatever at 60 and sit on our thumbs for 68 more picks. Does anyone really think that's what will happen?
Beane's gonna have an amazing draft!
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2 hours ago, Chuck Schick said:
I am really coming around to McConkey. Allen often talks about how so much of his game is based on being on the same page with his receiver, almost by feel as opposed to rigid timing and routes. Of all the prospects, I can picture Allen maximizing that with McConkey compared to the others.
True, but I'd rather get the size and speed while the gettings there. I would love if they could land both, but if not, give me Legette and Pearsall.
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8 hours ago, Process said:
I doubt Latu falling to the second round is actually realistic but if he does Bills should make a move up to take him. We need a starting DE and he'd be our best shot to get one past round 1. Worth the risk.
If Thomas is gone and he makes it to 24-26, we gotta make the move.
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19 minutes ago, finn said:
That would be ironic, to trade Brown just when he's showing his potential, after years of him serving as a 6'8" swing gate.
No, if I'm Beane, I'm looking hard at trading Milano of all people. He's very expensive, 30 years old, we have a replacement in place with upside in Williams, and he's one of the few players on the roster who could garner a first-round pick in return. Continue the younger and cheaper trend and use that pick to trade up for Nabers.
How much of a difference to BTJ? Is it another Chase/Jefferson thing?
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Wild draft idea? Trade 2025 1st/2nd/3rd and move down 28 to 35 with AZ. for no.4
Then trade back a bit for a 2nd this year and 3rd next...
Then again for a 3rd this year and 2nd next.
Take BT. maybe 18 -20
Have 3 2nds and 1 3rd plus 2 of next years picks back.
Basically getting to no. 4 with 1 1st and 7 spots.
OMG 14 more days...
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It's kinda hard for me to really wrap my head around that list while seeing several names that could probably have asterisks if they had better QBs.
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4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
That’s a tough one. I love the idea of Ladd and Legette. I also love the idea of the top 3. Pearsall is a guy that I’m higher on than most. I like him more than Coleman (even at the same spot). Baker is another guy in that mold that you might be able to get.
I think that you need 2 for sure. The quality of the 2nd is dependent on who is the 1st. If your first pick is McConkey you can shoot for upside with your next pick because he has a high floor (if healthy). If your first pick is Coleman, you need a higher floor guy with your 2nd WR pick. You can’t draft 2 boom or bust guys.
Well one thing's for sure, and I'm betting it will happen is that...Beane has to at the very least, create a 3rd rd. pick. Late picks won't get us there and moving down into the 30s could kill the plan.
He's gonna have to use a pick from next year.
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17 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I agree 100% with this. McConkey can play the boundary and is polished. He can take targets early. Honestly of all of the guys that we talk about, with the exception of the top 3, he’s most capable of volume.
Yeah I think he's the one guy who can come in and take 70 targets like he's been here for a year already. However, I would love Ladd and Legette, which leads to question..Do you secure that monster 1st, then settle for a Pearsall?.....or take Ladd and hope to get a Coleman?
I'm all for trading next year's 26-32 pick to a team like GB for 41 and 88.(they are just one of the teams with 2 2s and 2 3s).
My hope would to be Ladd at 28 then maybe move 41 to 37 for Legette. Then I'm looking to lock down Sweat and willing to move to the mid 50s to get him.
Btw Maason Smith at 88
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I'm not ready to toss him to the curb. The bigger question I have is why we can't play man against teams when we need to? After hearing a recent presser from McD,
I believe we're gonna see some changes in defensive adaptation this year. Something I thought we might never see with McD.....although he's worlds better than Frazier.
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15 hours ago, MiracleAtRich1393 said:
In the PFF simulator I can trade into the top 5/6/7 with #28, #133, Minnesota's 2025 2nd, and Kaiir Elam. No chance in hell something like that actually works right? Are they just using Kaiir's draft status plus 5th year option when calcing his value? Any chance a man scheme team that liked him 2 years ago values him as a day 2/high day 3 value for a trade up?
On the flipside of moving up that far, could Beane make 1 or even 2, trade backs for two 2s and two 3s? ....maybe settle around 20 for a Thomas or Latu?
I think he would be brilliant to pull that off.
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14 hours ago, billsfan89 said:
We can quibble about the targets but the targets available aren’t going to be more than a 5% increase and I think a lot of the Diggs 160 target volume is not going to be absorbed just by two rookies. Shakir is going to likely have 45 more targets and Kincaid 20 more targets. That’s already chipping away 65 targets from Diggs.I think the Bills will need impact from a rookie and that’s why it is imperative they draft one with their first pick. But I do doubt that the Bills fortunes are resting on a depth WR who’s at best only going to be a WR4 and get 40-50 targets if there are no major injuries and it’s probably closer to 30 targets more likely if health is not a factor.
If the Bills can find a rookie to who can have a good impact and absorb 70-80 targets efficiently then I think the Bills will be in a good spot. I think they don’t have to draft a WR at pick 60 if there isn’t a good one there or the value is much greater at another position of need.
They can find a WR at pick 128 or 133 to add depth and take on 30-40 targets.
The first thing that popped in my head when I read the bolded was...Ladd McConkey.
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18 hours ago, dave mcbride said:
29” arms — very short for nfl receivers. Diggs is 31.25.
Does catch rate matter in this?
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7 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:
Can you elaborate on/clarify the initial trade up to 4 that does NOT include 28? Is the cost only 2025 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rd picks? To get to #4? The future picks value doesn't even come close. Maybe I'm missing info.
Love to hear an outlier opinion like this -- can you say more?
I'm just going on what a caller proposed. I suppose 28 for 35 could also be in the mix, but the point being....buying a premium pick while turning it into more picks in the 1st 100 for this year while recouping a 2nd and 3rd for next year...if need be. All for the actual cost of a 25-32 pick next year.
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A guy on OBL made a really cool what if scenario....
What if BB traded 2025 1st/2nd and 3rd to get to 4 with AZ. (we keep 28) AZ. would still have a 1st rd. pick later.
What if BB then traded back ... probably twice, ( to 8-12 then maybe 12 to 20)) getting an extra 2nd and 3rd for this year and next.
Gives us 2 1sts 2 2nds and a 3rd. not to mention regaining 2 for 25.
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I don't mind that they have us taking Ladd at 28. But I do have a problem seeing Latu going 1 pick ahead of us. As far as instant impact player, IDK if I cannot jump on that chance having to only go up 1 or 2 spots
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Well, I'm still taking him and hopefully he makes it to 60. If he was from Ga. and someone died in a horrific wreck because of his involvement, this story wouldn't last more than a day....and then Philly would take him in the 1st round.
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Thank God, he might make it to 60. we hit on that 2 years in a row.
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3 hours ago, zevo said:
yeah. that first window closed due to him aging out.time for phase 2. good luck Stef.
3 hours ago, zevo said:yeah. that first window closed due to him aging out.time for phase 2. good luck Stef.
The only thing that should have closed was Diggs hands around the ball...
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TSW Mock Draft 2.0 - Completed
in The Stadium Wall
Posted · Edited by nosejob
I'm not ok with moving back. If a Chop or Darius, Nix or Pennix is still on the board, I might go back to 31...for a 3rd.