Billz4ever

I'm honestly wondering how many other Guards they went through who turned it down before they got to Saffold? It's almost like they were looking at the guard rankings and accidentally picked from the wrong end.

You're speaking as a person who has the benefit of hindsight, which they don't have. They went into that game with the game plan they had and got their butts whipped on both sides of the ball. If you can't get any pressure against an O-line missing 3/5 starters, that's more than coaching. If your own O-line can't protect their QB against a 3-man rush, that's more than coaching and their PFF grade reflects that. When you have a player who was made to look absolutely foolish on the offensive line coming out and saying they were out of gas, which is essentially an admission they(or at least he) quit 2 games from the SB, I'm not just blaming the coaches. They all bear responsibility, and any quitters need to go find another job where they're allowed to just collect a paycheck without any responsibility or accountability. Say what you want about Diggs, but we need more players with that kind of intensity, who aren't cool with losing, and who would never shamelessly admit they quit.

Again, I'm using what actually happened on the field that day. We're not talking about different games; we're literally talking about the same game. You're using hypotheticals to say things would be different in the very same game had that just done x, y, or z, when there's nothing we actually saw on either side of the ball that would support that. We were thoroughly outcoached and thoroughly out-muscled on both sides of the ball. We couldn't stop their offense on the ground or through the air, our best receiver is ranting on the sidelines how he's not getting the ball because Josh couldn't get it to him because he's running for his life and throwing bad balls, and now I'm being told we could've somehow won the game had we simply done this thing differently. That's simply not rational thinking. I'm sure there's lot's of things they would've chosen to differently in lots of games, but they don't get the benefit of hindsight and they don't get a do-over.

Yep, if a player's future may be up in the air down the road do to age, injury or both, restructuring a big contract should be avoided. Someone like Josh, on the other hand, makes a lot of sense.

Frazier made a bet before the game and the bet was to see how poorly he could call the game and still not get fired. Looks like he collected.

Re-sign him? That should be completely out of the question and why would we want him back? A rookie would do better than he did this year. Certainly couldn't do any worse.

He's not. He does what they need him to do to win. Some people see that as being MVP-worthy and he should be in the running. I don't think the discussion about Allen vs Hurts even matters though because Mahomes is clearly the MVP, IMO.

They still had to score points and they put the ball in the endzone 4 times on the ground against one of the best defenses in football. The point remains they don't need Hurts to be a Josh Allen to win. We always need Josh Allen to be Josh Allen to win.

I came extremely close to turning the TV off on that play.

It' was abundently clear the defense couldn't stop their offense either in the air or on the ground, so I don't know where you getting we somehow get a W in that game. You're back to hypotheticals claiming had we simply done x, y, or z, we could win when it was clear as day we didn't have the weapons they do to keep up with them.

God awful, as we knew. Earth to Mr. Beane...fix this please.

D. Dawkins: 73.5 R. Saffold: 43.7 M. Morse: 61.4 R. Bates: 61.8 S. Brown: 51.4 We have one of the worst lines in football according to PFF grades this year (26th). Anyone who's watched the games can see this play out and it's only because of Josh we can do anything. Against great teams, Josh can't do it alone. You seem to think you can get dominated at the LOS on both sides of the ball and somehow win the game. Winning the battle in the trenches has been and remains one of the most fundamentally basic objectives in football since the game's inception. We lost that battle and lost it badly against Cincy against an offensive line missing 3/5 starters and against a defensive line getting home rushing three. You lose that game 10/10 times.

I get pissed off every time I see that.

When you have trash like Saffold who literally got turn-styled multiple times in that game, you don't need Bruce Smith or Deacon Jones. Even Dawkins, who is easily our best player on the line, got beaten off the edge repeatedly. I lost count over how many times Josh was feeling almost immediate pressure as soon as he received the snap. You're talking about hypothetical situations and how you think they would've played out. I'm dealing with real situations and how they actually played out.

Yep, and was repeatedly getting flamed for it because I knew how that play was going to translate into playoff football. Now here we are.

You guessed wrong. A QB with no blocking is going to struggle and I don't care who it is. When the D-line can get home with a 3-man rush, with 8 in coverage and receivers blanketed, you're going to have a bad night. The results speak for themselves.

To say the Bills were playing the same football at the end of the year as they were playing when we played KC early in the year with a healthy Von Miller and Daq on the line is laughable. How did escaping the rush and off script plays work out against Cincy? They didn't. Like at all. Allen was being pressured and was on the run all game.

The KC rush sacked Burrow 5 times and Chris Jones looked like he was getting held on every play. Josh was getting pressured by a four and even a THREE man rush against Cincy. Our D barely sniffed Burrow the entire game. We were dominated on both sides of the LOS against Cincy. That's not changing against KC.

Great thought, but how does Von or Hyde change Josh getting hit and constantly pressured by a 4 or even 3-man rush? We scored 10 points and unless those guys can play on the O-line or receiver, not much is going to change that.

Yep, with our D-Line rotation, he fits right in. Instead of paying Ed $10M to underperform we could be paying guys like that.

That's the thing though...Hurts doesn't have to play like an elite QB in their offense. He simply has to be efficient, not turn the ball over, and he'll always be a threat to run. They ran for 150 yards and 4 TDs against a very good Niners D. They didn't allow Hurts to have a great game through the air, but Philly didn't need him to.

With this O-line that couldn't stop a 3-man rush? The same. We scored 10 points. The draft is going to tell us everything about where this FO and coaching staff's heads are at. If they don't address the O-line and get Josh some help at WR2, it shows me they just don't get it.

So you're saying the Bills getting dominated by Cincy on both sides of the LOS is simply coaching? LMAO Our O-Line just plain sucks and the D-line without Daq and Von couldn't do anything. Our DBs playing extremely loose coverage well off the ball certainly didn't help, but when you're getting destroyed in the trenches, the probability is extremely high that you're not winning. I'm no fan of Frazier and think it's time for a change, but to make the claim that we can beat both of them if it weren't for our coaching, is a pretty far-fetched statement. So what coaches are we using then to beat them?

It was clear to me that we weren't beating either of these teams in the playoffs this year. We got no pressure on Burrow and we wouldn't have on Mahomes either. We couldn't stop Mixon and we probably don't stop Pacheco either. Cincy got pressure on Josh with a 3-man rush. That wouldn't have changed against KC and Chris Jones would be all over Allen. We were playing loose coverage against Cincy's receivers. Kelce and crew would've eaten us up too. It all boils down to the line of scrimmage and both of these teams dominate us there. We address the O-line, get Josh a true WR2, get a healthy Daquan and Von back, and we can re-visit.

It absolutely is a participation trophy and a joke. Saffold is quite literally one of the worst guards in the league based on his PFF grade this season (43.7). If you watched him at all this year, it's a pretty accurate assessment.