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He threw us 2. TJ picked him off thanks to Von's pressure to end the game.

If they had been calling it consistently all night and then decided not to call it for some reason, sure. But we had the opposite happen here. If you're going to let them play, then let them play. You can't all the sudden start calling something you've been letting slide all night and then make a game determining call on what was a very weak instance of a hold.

That was a very split-second occurrence; he didn't continue to pull. As you can see by that very picture, it was prior to the receiver's turn upfield, so it didn't impede the receiver's ability to get to where the ball was going to be thrown. If anything, that's a pull in the direction the receiver wanted to go anyway. And the greater point is they hadn't called other examples of that all night long. Refs have to be consistent.

Yeah, maybe someone with some editing skills will comb through and pull them out. I hope they do. For that to happen at the end of what was a good Super Bowl is just awful to have the zebras determine the outcome like that. The game was over as soon as that flag came out.

I don't care if he admitted to the JFK assassination. They hadn't called that all night when there's plenty of examples of it and worse ones. Refs must be consistent. For them to throw that flag there, it needed to be an egregious occurrence. That's not what happened. I've watched the replay of that several times and still can't believe they threw that flag. That was one of the weakest cases of a defensing holding call I think I've ever seen and they chose to do it on a 3rd down with less than two minutes to go in the game, and it essentially ended the game. If you're not going to consistently call it, then keep the dang flag in your pocket and don't determine the outcome of a Super Bowl.

Yeah, because the teams that do it the most are the ones who are good at it. Who cares?

Yes, the referees decided the game. They hadn't called that all night long when there's plenty of examples of it happening. They let them play. If you don't call it all night, you definitely don't call it on 3 down with less than two minutes to go. Referees must be consistent. You're fine with refs deciding games. I'm not.

Nonsense. You can't sit there and tell me that was a hold, when they never called that all night and you can certainly find multiple examples of it happening and much worse. Refs must be consistent. You're obviously OK with referees determining the outcomes of games. I'm not.

They aren't gimme plays though. Unless you have the line with the better push, I've seen that get stuffed many times.

You completely missed the point. The debate was that Diggs is the best receiver in Bills history. So another person brings up Reed and Lofton and that they're in the HOF. (And nevermind Lofton is in the HOF because of his stats with GB, not the Bills). So following that logic, that means Kelly is better than Allen simply because he's in the HOF.

If we don't improve our O line and get some more weapons for Josh, Cincy showed us where this team's peak is and will continue to be.

I'm not saying it's fixed. I'm saying a very iffy call determined the outcome of a dang Super Bowl and that type of crap shouldn't happen, especially given they weren't calling that all night.

And he had the unfortunate luck of going against Brady and the Pats even though Philly played a good game and could've won had a few plays gone differently. Because we were all mostly convinced Dorsey was a Dabs clone. As the season went on, we quickly realized that wasn't the case. He's obviously not going anywhere, so all we can hope it that he learns how to tame Josh and play situational football.

I don't think Ed is in that picture regardless, but Poyer and Edmunds not being visible is interesting. If he's back as anything other than part of the equipment crew next season, I may just snap and beat the crap out of my Bills Beanie Baby.

Good lord. Anyone happy with the way that game ended is either a Chiefs homer or a closet Chiefs fan and from the beginning, I didn't care who won. Worst call I've ever seen considering it decided the outcome of a Super Bowl.

Not with them shape our D line was in the end of the season and certainly not with our current O line. It would've been ugly on both sides of the ball, just like the Cincy game.

There was none called to the best of my knowledge. That's what makes this one all the more worse and that one in particular was so weak, I would've had a problem with it if it happened during a regular season game where the game was already out of hand due to the score. The fact this happened in a Super Bowl and essentially decided the outcome is still shocking to me. Why? That kind of play goes back to the very origins of the game...controlling the line of scrimmage. If the defense can't stop it, it's because they're losing the battle in the trenches.

There are no moral victories when it comes to winning a title. You're either willing to do what it takes to win, or you're not.

And they are held to a FG there with the Eagles having plenty of time to either tie or take the lead if the refs don't inject themselves there. Let the game be decided by the players. The Chiefs D stops Philly, they win. Here, the refs determined the outcome.

So is it cheating the other times in the game they don't call it? If a referee is nothing else, the one thing they have to be is consistent. If they aren't, it destroys people's belief in their impartiality. If you don't call it all night, there's no way you call that one as weak as it was, on a 3rd down,which literally ended the game.

Please inform McD. I'm looking forward to the draft and dreading it at the same time.

They didn't call it all night. I've seen much worse not called. That call decided the game.

What? The Chiefs have to kick a FG and there's plenty of time for Philly to tie or take the lead with 2 timeouts.

The difference here is they hadn't called offensive or defensive holding all night long if memory serves, and now you're going to call it with a minute left in the game in one of the weakest cases of holding I've seen in awhile? Nah. Referees literally determined the outcome of this Super Bowl.

I see non calls differently than calls like that though. That gave the Chiefs a first down they didn't earn and it basically ended the game. That shouldn't happen in any game, nevermind the Super Bowl.