Billz4ever

Mahomes isn't a 3 to 4 step and fire QB. Neither are any of the QBs in the Championship games. The QB likely to win his 3rd MVP this year is more like Allen than Brady. The QB position is evolving and that's a plain and simple fact.

Sorry, but the QB going for the first ever 3 peat in NFL history is more like Josh Allen than Tom Brady. When a play breaks down, he moves around, gets out of the pocket and will take off if that's the best option. Hate to tell you, but literally all the QBs that played in the two conference championship games are more like Josh Allen than Tom Brady and the QB who will win the Super Bowl this year, whether it's Mahomes or Hurts, is more like Allen than Brady.

Josh has to operate in the offense the team runs. If there's no play there he does what he does and creates. He rarely turned the ball over this year and rarely took sacks. I really don't know what you're expecting him to do.

Doesn't have to be repeatable. Just has to be enough to keep a drive alive. That's what Josh did there on 4th down and I've honestly never seen so many people wanting to blame a QB for a receiver dropping a very catchable ball.

I mean the drive did end when that ball hit the ground rather than him catching it so, I think my frustrations are mainly in the right place. I couldn't care less if Josh called the wrong protection and threw the ball while standing on his head. Kincaid dropped the ball, which is an incomplete pass that created a turnover on downs. THAT is what essentially ended the game minus the D giving up the first down.

I'm more frustrated Kincaid dropped a ball he should've caught on 4th down.

Kincaid dropping the ball and it being an incomplete pass cost of us game unless you want to also let the D share the blame since they couldn't prevent a first down that allowed KC to kill the clock. Dang right he should've and there's been other video angles of it posted here that show just how open he was and how terrible of an adjustment he made to it. Next season is make or break for that guy. Totally underachieved this season.

And in the end, Kincaid dropped a ball an NFL receiver should've had.

Yep, and as Torrence said they kept it left based on what the Defense was showing the rest of the night. Kincaid dropped the ball.

You think Ravens fans are focused on anything that happened on the failed 2 pt try except the Andrews drop? And Torrence explained why they had it left. If Josh had the protection to the right and the blitz had instead come from the left like it had before, are we still doing this? Kincaid dropped the ball.

I swear you're focused on the weirdest things. You act like Kincaid didn't actually drop a ball he 100% should've caught that would've moved the chains and put us in FG range with over a minute to go with timeouts in-hand.

And in the end, Kincaid dropped the ball, which could've happened had the protection been perfect. It's largely irrelevant. If a ball hits a receiver in the hands, the last thing I'm worried about was the protection called on the play. Allen beat the blitz like he's done countless times and got the throw off. The ball was thrown to a spot where an NFL receiver should've been able to make a play. He didn't. End of story.

Or maybe even better, have the back there off Josh's right and if they come, Josh tosses it right over their heads to a wide open back who has nothing but daylight ahead of him. It's all hindsight at this point, and in the end Kincaid should've caught the ball. Just more things to stew on over this offseason. When fans try and dissect plays as much as we are and think about the "what could've beens" you've got to wonder how much it eats at the players who were actually there living it.

I was losing my mind watching that.

Teams show fake pressure all the time and back out of it. Our D does it a lot. You don't see the other team calling T.O. just because we show pressure. The Chiefs literally did that in that play. Bolton showed blitz up the middle and backed out into coverage. And just FYI, Josh routinely faces plays where the defense sends more rushers than they have blockers. Josh probably has a handful of touchdowns and a lot of first downs if you want to go back and analyze the film of Josh Allen against the Blitz this season.

OK, so if that's the case, you can't blame the team. That would be on the player and if the INC is that easy to fool, they need better tests. I don't think it's as simple as the player telling them they're fine. They have very specific testing they do that would be hard to fake if you're still legitimately concussed.

Yep, that was Tranquil. I was saying you can't tell me an official can't see that as it happened. I'm sure Allen would torch our defense too.

Yeah, that was a first for me too. He legit looked like he had no idea where he was.

Team medical staffs don't clear players.

So if Kincaid does his job, you're still saying Allen choked?

Aren't players cleared by a neutral 3rd party? And their sources are 5 fans? LOL

I've got to think the Elam experiment is finally over. I don't even see the point of him occupying a roster spot any more.

A NFL receiver drops a very catchable 4th down conversion and that's the QB "choking"? Interesting logic there. Might as well blame Josh for the defense being trash too while you're at it. Josh beat a blitz with 3 players in his face and put a very catchable ball on a spot where only his receiver could catch it. There must be a new definition of choking that I'm not familiar with.

Yeah, a quick score there wouldn't have been desirable, but I'd take it if the defense gave it, but had Kincaid made that catch, we're almost guaranteed at least OT, which isn't a great option either, or we keep driving and score with almost no time left, which would've been the best outcome.

And that's what makes it even more amazing that we were in a position to win the game despite being outcoached basically from the opening kickoff.