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Bingo! What a breath of fresh air. It feels as if the cavalry of reasonable posters have stormed this thread to regain reasonable discussion. As you pointed out, I am not preaching that we must get rid of Hyde. But I think it’s a fair question to ask how much worse we are really without him. If you had asked me before the season how much worse we would be without him, I would have guessed significantly and noticeably worse in many ways. I think many of us can agree that we don’t notice him gone (via broken coverages or bad plays by his replacement) as much as we may have thought we would have. Which is a kudos to Beane for the depth he has has built and the coaching staff for their defensive scheme.

Thank you.

All good posts start with an insult. A 2 year extension that doesn’t put him in the top 20 of safeties money-wise is a “big” extension to you? I don’t personally see it that way. I think it was a moderate extension that gives them an out after 2 years. $7M in dead cap is not a lot. It is offset by regaining $11M in cap space. They save money by trading or cutting him, despite the dead cap. This is called an “out” clause in the NFL and the Bills obviously structured it that way for a reason. They also only gave him a 2 year deal for a reason. I ignored it just like I “ignore” the fact that Hyde’s middle name is Richmond. It’s irrelevant to the discussion for all the reasons I listed above.

How did you come to this conclusion? First i’ve heard this. Only thing i’ve seen is that the Bills are giving up 0.3 more ay/a this year, though that is quite minuscule.

Thank you for this post. Well written and I appreciate that you see how the groupthink on this forum makes it nearly unbearable sometimes.

I see from your profile that you are in Tampa. I have a vacation home in St Pete. I go to the Bills Bar called Buffalo Charlie’s in Dunedin. Feel free to join me some week for a game. Warning, you’ll probably be confused by my Bills tattoo while simultaneously trying to rationalize that i’m a fan of another team. Ps, here is me at the Titans game watching Allen throw a bomb to Diggs. Posted from my Bills twitter account where the goal is to give away free Bills tickets to kids and people who can’t afford to go. It’s all part of my Jets/Fins/Pats fan scheme. Obviously. . .

I guess you would need to re-define what you’re talking about. You said “completely blown coverages”. Then you mention 3rd and 22 but that was not a “completely blown coverage”. Not at all. So are we talking about completely blown coverages or just long plays that we were in position to stop but didn’t? Because if it’s the latter, then there are plenty of examples of those type of plays our defense has given up the last few years. I could start with Hail Murray and go on from there. Well, yeah. The Hill one was a bit more embarrassing though.

Great posts always start with an insult. Let’s see if i’m right. How many times have we seen it since Hyde has been out? Zero times. You mention 3rd and 22 but that was not a “completely blown coverage”. Our defenders were barely a split second late. So are we talking about completely blown coverages or just long plays that we were in position to stop but didn’t? Because if it’s the latter, then there are plenty of examples of those type of plays our defense has given up the last few years. I could start with Hail Murray and go on from there. And hasn’t happened since Hyde has been out. You don’t remember Hill running right past Hyde with 2 minutes left in the KC game last year? I may never forget that “douces” sign be put up with his two fingers as he entered the endzone. I am not pointing this out in an effort to say that Hyde is a bad player. Not at all. I’m simply pointing out that defensive breakdowns against the Chiefs offense is nothing new to this Bills defense (even with Hyde). I could say the same.

“Any fool can know, the point is to understand” - Albert Einstein The single worst part of sport discussion forums is groupthink. On this forum, groupthink coincides with an attack on anyone that gives even the slightest criticism of a current starter, coach, owner, or anyone affiliated with the team. There is no room for understanding, predicting, analyzing and speaking truth to potentials departures. All room is taken up by the “knowing” crowd - those that “know” that another poster is wrong, should post less, etc. Your post above, in a nutshell. Prior to the onslaught of “knowers” bashing my thread, several people had agreed with it. One deleted their post (they were one of the first responses), and another edited their post to say something different. This is because they don’t want to go against the crowd. Groupthink. .

Bingo. Yes - 26.5 year old Hyde was targeted as a foundational guy by McDermott half a decade ago. Not soon-to-be 32 year old Hyde, half a decade later.

Great point.

It’s the same question. It’s a bummer that my opinions bother you so. Be that as it is, feel free to block me. That way you won’t see my opinions any longer. Go to Account > Ignored Users > Enter My Username > Click Add User .

Thank you for being a fan, but no autographs please.

How much of that which he has done could not be done by a cheaper model?

This was a week ago.

What game changing plays in critical moments has Hyde made? NE interception in playoffs? How many others?

We have to wait and see if the defense improves with his arrival. If it doesn’t, well… Thank you. .

I respect where you’re coming from.

I asked if anyone thought it was possible, yes. I have no doubt he will play next year for someone.

Bad players play bad football. Not a mystery in my opinion.

Since Hyde has been out, our defense has given up 16 points per game. More impressively, they gave up only 20 to the high powered Chiefs. 🥵 I think you can make the argument that the Bills would have beaten the Dolphins with Hyde playing - that 3rd and 22(?) pass to Hill likely doesn’t happen. But then again, it may not have happened with Poyer playing. They were both out that game. 👉 I am certainly not saying we are better without Hyde… but I am asking, how much worse are we really? And does extending (or going into a contract year at $11M cap hit) worth not having a slight drop in quality? Could we trade him for a draft asset? 💰 We have a potential “out” with his contact this off-season. It would save us about $4 million in cap space ($11M cap savings minus $7M in dead cap). Hamlin & Johnson combined account for 1/5th of Hyde’s cap hit next year. Poyer is 115 days younger than Hyde. If we had to pick one safety to keep, I think I may lean toward Poyer over Hyde. Go Bills.

I don’t think either of those things happened with Belichick.

I never thought Jones was impressive. Ever. How does a coach lose his skills? Dementia?

We are just talking football. There is no Bills game this week. Need something to talk about. I guess we could all go back to thread about Sal attending a baseball game.

No. It’s just pointing out that even Brady wasn’t Brady in Brady’s 3rd ever start.