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Similar to the Titans game 2 weeks ago. We had more yards, more plays, more first downs, and the ball at the end. Still lost.

I've noticed that a large proportion of downtown advocates are out-of-towners. They want to come to Buffalo, stay in a hotel, eat at a heated restaurant, and walk a block to the game.

The portion you circled actually works against the downtown folks theory that a stadium and better infrastructure downtown would result in an economic positive. $53 million is peanuts. Without breaking out a calculator, I hazard a guess that it barely covers the interest on the money required to build it. When any positive is negated by a negative of equal size, its in all actuality comparing “nothing” to “nothing”.

The added cost of these items is said to be around $300 Million more. Agreed. I believe Minnesota should be the blueprint. Not Seattle. I actually find Seattle’s stadium quite ugly.

The Vikings built that stadium just a few years ago for $1.1B

I really like what the Vikings did. It is so bright and airy that it has somewhat of the “feel” of an outdoor stadium.

I don’t understand this.

Well said. And the NFL (historically) does not like getting to the discovery stage.

He was often in the top 10 of linemen holding penalties during his time in Buffalo.

Do San Diegans care about football? If I recall, they voted to oust the Chargers.

Nothing makes residents happier than some new water pipes.

Sadly, for my pocket book, I am not. But I do agree with them about the stadium. ”We’ve spent YEARS studying the various locations… The national and international consultants we have hired and the state has hired, let them tell everyone what the data shows.” (emphasis added)

“NEW YORK — The Pegulas are tired of the armchair architects and developers who insist the Buffalo Bills’ owners are wrong for wanting to build a new stadium in Orchard Park.” They must be reading this thread

Just my experience when talking to people. YMMV.

The problem is eating and drinking in a parking lot with iffy weather. Therefore you would rather eat and drink in a packed-to-the-gills bar before walking (in the iffy weather) to the outdoor stadium (where there is also iffy weather). I’m open to alternative viewpoints when a good argument is made for one.

“There is no great experience to be had in OP other than drinking and eating…” What great experience do you expect to have in a downtown stadium outside of drinking or eating?

People that come to see the Bills play (out-of-towners) need a place to sleep (hotel) whether the stadium is downtown or OP. They need food (restaurants) whether the stadium is downtown or OP. I can’t think of a single business that would purchase a suite downtown but wouldn’t purchase one 20 minutes away in OP. And even if there was, suites are sold out regardless. You can’t more sell-out an already sold-out. All the “positives” of a downtown stadium exist whether the stadium is downtown or in OP.

Unless someone can point me to a study that indicates otherwise, I believe that the majority of worldwide bills mafia fans choose away games in warm cities and nice areas such as Nashville and Miami and LA in Las Vegas as their game spots. And the ones that do come home a few times per year or even once per year, still need a hotel to stay in. Still need food to put in their belly. They’re still spending dollars in the area. Regardless of where the stadium is physically located.

They’re a proven draw for locals. They are not a proven draw for tourists or out-of-towners. Locals don’t often spend money on hotels. And the bars may make some more cash but it’s only 10 days per year.

People have a dream that a downtown stadium will bring in a sudden influx of visitors. Its a similar dream to the fast ferry in Rochester.

Cost, tailgating, infrastructure, parking, etc

Why are the cities coffers more important than the counties? More importantly, people do not stay where the Bills play. There is little lodging near the stadium. Many stay downtown, or elsewhere. And they still must eat. Dollars are spent regardless of where the Bills physically move a pigskin about for 60 minutes. .

This is a much better solution than the projects.

If you come to the Buffalo area for 3 days regardless, what does it change that the location is downtown. Are downtown dollars more significant than suburban dollars?

Josh didn’t hop to his left on accident. That was the play call. The blocking was pushing to the right to open up the C gap for Josh. Dawkins got beat so badly that the C gap didn’t exist.