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I think i’d rather pay the guys who are guaranteed to be good because they already have been, on the most important position (outside of QB) in the NFL. And then draft players at less important positions.

Ok… Thats certainly an option but draft picks are not guaranteed to be good. You could (in theory) spend numerous picks on the line and then watch them fail as Allen runs away from pass rushers.

Ok… What way would you go about building it?

You can’t be serious. You seem to be flip-flopping timeframes a bit. Are we talking about who he is now, or are we talking about who he was when the Bills let him walk? When the Bills let him walk, he was 7th among all Guards in pass blocking. Right now, of course his pass blocking is not as good as his run blocking. His run blocking is the best of all players. His pass blocking couldn’t possibly be better. This year, through 9 games, he has allowed 1 sack. I agree that he is a better run blocker, but it would be disingenuous to say that he is a bad pass blocker. .

7th among all NFL G’s in pass blocking in 2018. With the Bills.

As much as I’d like to trust HokieSports.com - lol. Here are more stats, this time including his regular season stint with the Bills:

He was flashing that here. Thus the tweet I included in the post that you quoted. .

And I gave my honest opinion in my first post. But when your honest opinion is disregarded by a response of only a vomiting emoji, you realize that you may have to work within the persons pre-formed mindset and framework in order to actually have an objective conversation.

That’s just not true. As an example, you could put EJ Manuel in the very best scheme with the very best coach and with him working his tail off non-stop and he still wouldn’t be very good. The Bills missed on Teller. There is no reason to excuse that. Even with the Bills he showed excellent pass blocking abilities: And he was excellent pass blocking in college as well.

You’re right about Allen. For some reason I forgot that he was a Beane pick, and not part of the McD inaugural 2017 class. He is the 1 dominant player Beane has picked.

It’s not illogical, it’s debate theory. When someone is stuck within a certain mindset or framework you must work at least temporarily within that mindset or framework to have any chance of conveying your opinion. Its a commonly taught tactic in every debate class in every university from sea to shining sea.

Ok. We will agree to disagree.

Agreed.

I was responding to a binary post. ”If Bobby Johnson gives bad information to Brandon Beane, it turns into bad roster moves.” That’s binary. So I responded in kind, using that framework. Stepping outside of that frame, Beane could certainly hear the OL coach advice and then do his own thing. But that would defeat the purpose of the posters quote and also of this thread as the “blame” would revert back to Beane. Oh I certainly believe McD holds some blame for the Teller trade as well. But again, the buck stops at Beane. Only he wields the power to trade. His signature adorns the trade paperwork that is faxed to the league office. Many Indians will raise a voice but only the Chief’s voice echo’s above all. .

The bolded potion. This means, unequivocally, that Beane is not using his own talent evaluating skills to evaluate the player, but instead relying completely on the position coach. I hope that isn’t true. I do not believe it to be true. To use a ridiculous hyperbole of an example, if the QB coach tells Beane that Allen is not good, I would hope Beane is smart enough and is good enough at talent evaluation to not trade Allen. The buck stops at Beane. It’s his choice and his choice only. He chose to trade Teller. Bobby Johnson did not. The whole premise that this is Bobby Johnsons fault is beyond comprehension to me.

From McD, yes. Do I think he is sitting a position coach down and asking him to analyze whether a player should be traded? No. A GM’s job is to evaluate talent and build a roster in no small part due to talent evaluation. That’s a specialized skill set. When the Bills are vying for a free agent, is Beane calling that players position coach (whose team may also be vying to bring the player back) and ask whether he should sign the player? No way. When the Bills are drafting, is Beane calling the draftees college position coach to ask whether the Bills should draft the kid? Maybe rarely? Is Beane trading a future All Pro guard to an AFC opponent based on the words of a brand new position coach? Absolutely not. McD and Beane also tend to place a lot of emphasis on versatility. They want versatile players. At the time of the trade. it was thought that Ryan Bates’ ability to play any position on the line was what made Teller expendable. Thats a Beane and McD philosophy. Not a philosophy of the brand new line coach. .

Thank you!

Hi Hapless. Would you please tell me how do you do this (break apart a post into bite sized quotes)? I tried to PM you, but it says I can’t.

Option 2 is more likely. Just watching a few seasons of Hard Knocks would tell you that the GM is almost never talking to a position coach. If anything, it’s the head coach. And even then, the GM often overrides the coach. See Mike Macganon signing Bell against Gase’s wishes, for example. McD and Beane also tend to place a lot of emphasis on versatility. They want versatile players. At the time it was thought than Ryan Bates’ ability to play any position on the line was what made Teller expendable. Thats a Beane/McD philosophy. Not the position coach. But regardless, none of this matters because Beane should be good enough at evaluating talent to see through a bad coach or system or talent around a player. Thats how he got Allen. He saw past the crap around him. I ask you again - Does Beane have to ask a draftee’s college positional coach whether he should draft him?

I reformatted the original post because my brain works a little differently and it was hard for me to read. Here it is for all others who have a weird brain like mine and had a hard time comprehending the original formatting. ———- Diggs was on the Jim Rome show and it was great. Diggs never disappoints! Here is a recap of what Diggs had to say. Subject: How Diggs is processing the loss to the Jaguars. - Diggs had to take some time to evaluate the process, evaluate the week and how it went, and what led up to the loss. He tries not to get too down on himself because we do live in a league of “any given Sunday”. To this point, Diggs watched while across the league many teams were shocked on Sunday. There were a lot of upsets, not only the Bills. Diggs said he had to look back at the process he goes through each week and he always looks back at himself to see things that he perhaps could have done better to help the team win and put themselves in a position to win. Diggs tries to take a step back and look at it through another lens, thinking “OK maybe we should do this, approach things this way.” He just continues to try to be that positive influence, that positive engine for the team. Diggs sees himself as not only a captain but a guy who leads his team the best he can. He will continue to try to push, continue to try to be “the example” each and every day. Subject: Diggs on his thoughts about Twitter comments that he sees and receives - Diggs doesn’t want you to message him anything negative - He gave a long answer talking about how certain people will message him with comments about “his other team”. But he just wants to be left out of it. Diggs says he doesn’t have anything to with it. He is big on positivity and just tries to keep everything positive. Subject: Diggs talking about completion within the team - Diggs talks about how beneficial it is to go up against his own Defense in practice. Iron sharpens iron - He talks about his head coach and how McD has them do one-on-one matchups everyday. These matchups bring an extra level of competition. Diggs said that regardless of how you feel that day, you have to go out and compete at a high level. He said the only way you can compete at a high level is having those one-on-one matchups to make you better. He specifically mentioned Jordan Poyer and Micah Hyde and spoke about how they’ll come onto the practice field to go up against Diggs one-on-one because they want to get better. And you can see that each and every day. Diggs said they’re not a team of complacency and they are never satisfied. Having those veteran guys definitely puts us at a good spot team wise – approaching each and every day. He tries to make sure that he is the same “example” on the offensive side of the ball. He always tries to be a motivate his teammate and tries to get better. A humble approach. Subject: Diggs talking about Buffalo and the fans - Diggs said Buffalo is awesome. He mentioned that everybody is a Bills fan. He said he never had that rabid college fan base experience in college but he can imagine what’s it’s like in a big college football town. He mentions how much he loves it and he talks about past players who have played here before and how they always say the best fan base is Buffalo. Diggs agrees. Bills fans really love their players and give it everything they got win lose or draw. Buffalo Bills fans are 1) loyal and 2) don’t take no bleep either <This is in reference to Rome saying Diggs doesn’t take “no bleep” in the lead up question> Subject: Diggs talking about his younger brother who also plays in the NFL. - Diggs says he wishes more people could experience something like having a brother who works/plays in the same league. He mention it’s probably more surreal for his mother. He also says he feels more proud than anything and a sense of euphoria like “God’s amazing”. Things like this don’t happen by chance and just to see my brother play at an extremely high level is awesome, but you believe in your siblings regardless. Diggs said if his brother said he wanted to be an astronaut he would be behind him 100%. The fact that he wanted to play the same sport that I wanted to play, he wanted to play at a high level, he wanted to have success, and he worked at it. Something that you see is the maturation process, not really overnight it took time for him. To see him have so much success, I always knew he had it in him. You can ask my teammates only one day a week do I say how bout them cowboys – but other than that insanity it’s Go Bills Go

This ideology is quite strange to me. A positional coach is at fault because a GM several times above his pay grade could not evaluate talent properly enough to make a good decision? Does Beane have to rely on a college players positional coach to tell him whether to draft him as well?

My thoughts exactly. Bobby Johnson didn’t make Beane make these moves.

No team has ever done the Rams model consistently. Ever. This is unchartered territory. As for the “model of drafting well” … There is no model of drafting well. You can create a model of drafting, but you can’t a guarantee that you will do it well. You can’t guarantee that the picks will be good. Even good GM’s can’t expect much more than 50% of their picks to be successful. Lets look at Beane’s draft picks: - Oliver (TOP 10) is somewhere between mediocre and above average. Jeffrey Simmons, who is an absolute monster, was taken around 10 picks after him. - Epenesa (2nd round) is practically invisible and is a routine inactive - Ford (2nd round) is horrible - Moss (3rd round) has 5 games this year where he averages 3.4 yards per carry or less - Singletary (3rd round) has the field vision of a 90 year old - Gabe (4th round) is invisible AND dropped a potential game-tying catch last week. - Fromm (5th round) isn’t on the active roster - Joseph (5th round) isn’t on the active roster I could go on, but what’s the point? Even Beane’s GOOD picks are not great. They’re not dominant. They’re not “special”. I would trade ANY of those players for a few quality linemen. .

that sounds more about the line than it does about that duo.

Since when is 3 game changers needed on offense to win? That is an extremely rare luxury.