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I really dislike any penalty (for any team) that has nothing to do with the outcome of a play. Dawkins tackling that guy mattered 0 to the play outcome.

Forget the forum font, I just wish they would put a little spacing between the “edited by” message and the last line of the users post. One line of CSS would fix it. Happy Birthday Mrs SDS.

The looked at the possibilities of what would happen if they let the Rams leave St. louis. Yet they’re still getting their hiney kicked in court.

Go Dolphins. 🤢🤮

I agree, but there have been opportunities that they flat out missed.

Position groups. If we are down to debating semantics then I suppose this conversation has run it’s course. .

I think i’d rather pay the guys who are guaranteed to be good because they already have been, on the most important position (outside of QB) in the NFL. And then draft players at less important positions.

Ok… Thats certainly an option but draft picks are not guaranteed to be good. You could (in theory) spend numerous picks on the line and then watch them fail as Allen runs away from pass rushers.

Ok… What way would you go about building it?

You can’t be serious. You seem to be flip-flopping timeframes a bit. Are we talking about who he is now, or are we talking about who he was when the Bills let him walk? When the Bills let him walk, he was 7th among all Guards in pass blocking. Right now, of course his pass blocking is not as good as his run blocking. His run blocking is the best of all players. His pass blocking couldn’t possibly be better. This year, through 9 games, he has allowed 1 sack. I agree that he is a better run blocker, but it would be disingenuous to say that he is a bad pass blocker. .

7th among all NFL G’s in pass blocking in 2018. With the Bills.

As much as I’d like to trust HokieSports.com - lol. Here are more stats, this time including his regular season stint with the Bills:

He was flashing that here. Thus the tweet I included in the post that you quoted. .

And I gave my honest opinion in my first post. But when your honest opinion is disregarded by a response of only a vomiting emoji, you realize that you may have to work within the persons pre-formed mindset and framework in order to actually have an objective conversation.

That’s just not true. As an example, you could put EJ Manuel in the very best scheme with the very best coach and with him working his tail off non-stop and he still wouldn’t be very good. The Bills missed on Teller. There is no reason to excuse that. Even with the Bills he showed excellent pass blocking abilities: And he was excellent pass blocking in college as well.

You’re right about Allen. For some reason I forgot that he was a Beane pick, and not part of the McD inaugural 2017 class. He is the 1 dominant player Beane has picked.

It’s not illogical, it’s debate theory. When someone is stuck within a certain mindset or framework you must work at least temporarily within that mindset or framework to have any chance of conveying your opinion. Its a commonly taught tactic in every debate class in every university from sea to shining sea.

Ok. We will agree to disagree.

Agreed.

I was responding to a binary post. ”If Bobby Johnson gives bad information to Brandon Beane, it turns into bad roster moves.” That’s binary. So I responded in kind, using that framework. Stepping outside of that frame, Beane could certainly hear the OL coach advice and then do his own thing. But that would defeat the purpose of the posters quote and also of this thread as the “blame” would revert back to Beane. Oh I certainly believe McD holds some blame for the Teller trade as well. But again, the buck stops at Beane. Only he wields the power to trade. His signature adorns the trade paperwork that is faxed to the league office. Many Indians will raise a voice but only the Chief’s voice echo’s above all. .

The bolded potion. This means, unequivocally, that Beane is not using his own talent evaluating skills to evaluate the player, but instead relying completely on the position coach. I hope that isn’t true. I do not believe it to be true. To use a ridiculous hyperbole of an example, if the QB coach tells Beane that Allen is not good, I would hope Beane is smart enough and is good enough at talent evaluation to not trade Allen. The buck stops at Beane. It’s his choice and his choice only. He chose to trade Teller. Bobby Johnson did not. The whole premise that this is Bobby Johnsons fault is beyond comprehension to me.

From McD, yes. Do I think he is sitting a position coach down and asking him to analyze whether a player should be traded? No. A GM’s job is to evaluate talent and build a roster in no small part due to talent evaluation. That’s a specialized skill set. When the Bills are vying for a free agent, is Beane calling that players position coach (whose team may also be vying to bring the player back) and ask whether he should sign the player? No way. When the Bills are drafting, is Beane calling the draftees college position coach to ask whether the Bills should draft the kid? Maybe rarely? Is Beane trading a future All Pro guard to an AFC opponent based on the words of a brand new position coach? Absolutely not. McD and Beane also tend to place a lot of emphasis on versatility. They want versatile players. At the time of the trade. it was thought that Ryan Bates’ ability to play any position on the line was what made Teller expendable. Thats a Beane and McD philosophy. Not a philosophy of the brand new line coach. .

Thank you!

Hi Hapless. Would you please tell me how do you do this (break apart a post into bite sized quotes)? I tried to PM you, but it says I can’t.

Option 2 is more likely. Just watching a few seasons of Hard Knocks would tell you that the GM is almost never talking to a position coach. If anything, it’s the head coach. And even then, the GM often overrides the coach. See Mike Macganon signing Bell against Gase’s wishes, for example. McD and Beane also tend to place a lot of emphasis on versatility. They want versatile players. At the time it was thought than Ryan Bates’ ability to play any position on the line was what made Teller expendable. Thats a Beane/McD philosophy. Not the position coach. But regardless, none of this matters because Beane should be good enough at evaluating talent to see through a bad coach or system or talent around a player. Thats how he got Allen. He saw past the crap around him. I ask you again - Does Beane have to ask a draftee’s college positional coach whether he should draft him?