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I don’t understand this.

Well said. And the NFL (historically) does not like getting to the discovery stage.

He was often in the top 10 of linemen holding penalties during his time in Buffalo.

Do San Diegans care about football? If I recall, they voted to oust the Chargers.

Nothing makes residents happier than some new water pipes.

Sadly, for my pocket book, I am not. But I do agree with them about the stadium. ”We’ve spent YEARS studying the various locations… The national and international consultants we have hired and the state has hired, let them tell everyone what the data shows.” (emphasis added)

“NEW YORK — The Pegulas are tired of the armchair architects and developers who insist the Buffalo Bills’ owners are wrong for wanting to build a new stadium in Orchard Park.” They must be reading this thread

Just my experience when talking to people. YMMV.

The problem is eating and drinking in a parking lot with iffy weather. Therefore you would rather eat and drink in a packed-to-the-gills bar before walking (in the iffy weather) to the outdoor stadium (where there is also iffy weather). I’m open to alternative viewpoints when a good argument is made for one.

“There is no great experience to be had in OP other than drinking and eating…” What great experience do you expect to have in a downtown stadium outside of drinking or eating?

People that come to see the Bills play (out-of-towners) need a place to sleep (hotel) whether the stadium is downtown or OP. They need food (restaurants) whether the stadium is downtown or OP. I can’t think of a single business that would purchase a suite downtown but wouldn’t purchase one 20 minutes away in OP. And even if there was, suites are sold out regardless. You can’t more sell-out an already sold-out. All the “positives” of a downtown stadium exist whether the stadium is downtown or in OP.

Unless someone can point me to a study that indicates otherwise, I believe that the majority of worldwide bills mafia fans choose away games in warm cities and nice areas such as Nashville and Miami and LA in Las Vegas as their game spots. And the ones that do come home a few times per year or even once per year, still need a hotel to stay in. Still need food to put in their belly. They’re still spending dollars in the area. Regardless of where the stadium is physically located.

They’re a proven draw for locals. They are not a proven draw for tourists or out-of-towners. Locals don’t often spend money on hotels. And the bars may make some more cash but it’s only 10 days per year.

People have a dream that a downtown stadium will bring in a sudden influx of visitors. Its a similar dream to the fast ferry in Rochester.

Cost, tailgating, infrastructure, parking, etc

Why are the cities coffers more important than the counties? More importantly, people do not stay where the Bills play. There is little lodging near the stadium. Many stay downtown, or elsewhere. And they still must eat. Dollars are spent regardless of where the Bills physically move a pigskin about for 60 minutes. .

This is a much better solution than the projects.

If you come to the Buffalo area for 3 days regardless, what does it change that the location is downtown. Are downtown dollars more significant than suburban dollars?

Josh didn’t hop to his left on accident. That was the play call. The blocking was pushing to the right to open up the C gap for Josh. Dawkins got beat so badly that the C gap didn’t exist.

Raiders stadium was “only” $1.9B. And it is beautiful.

Oh are you thinking that Terry would own the land/stadium? Where did you park? .

We can agree to disagree. For those interested, maybe i’ll create a thread sometime with pics of my road trip. It was a great time. I purchased a conversion van with all of the amenities and drove from New York to California, and back. Stopping at every NFL city / stadium along the way. . How does a downtown stadium give Terry what he needs, in your estimation?

I do not have an agenda. I was pro-Downtown stadium for many years until I went on a nationwide tour of stadiums in the NFL. After seeing so many and all different options and ideas and the impact location had on each… That’s what changed my mind. The #1 reason proponents like the location of the Titans stadium is the closeness to Broadway and bars. With the Titans often having as many away fans as home fans, that’s a big plus. Tourists like to hit the bar before and after. Locals want to go home.

I have. While I don’t think it’s lame, I do think it’s substandard for locals. Nashville’s stadium situation is fantastic for tourists though.

I love to learn and i’m always open to being incorrect and correcting myself. Which is why I asked, and ask again, can you cite somewhere in the rule book that describes an uncatchable pass in the same manner that you do?