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Okay guess I was confused because you quoted my comment on the golf match.

What does this have to do with a golf match? You said it’s Mahomes and Burrow in this years golf match…

Youre arguing over one $4M player as if it changes anything. Take that away if you want and you still have a reasonably cost o-line and not much more than Von would have cost if Beane structure them properly like he always does. You’re just one of those people who can’t ever admit they’re wrong. No point in discussing further. Feel free to have the last word - I won’t respond.

Where did they announce this? Guess I missed it.

I don’t see Allen as an after thought at all. He was many reporters 1st overall QB entering the season. He was the MVP favorite. We got numerous prime time games because of him. He has a national commercial (gillette). He is playing at Pebble Beach and was in the celebrity golf match with Brady, Rodgers and Mahomes last season.

It’s kinda like Acing the homework but then failing the test. But then getting an A for the course because you did well on the homework. Id love for them to pass the postseason test at some point.

What award do we get for that? The regular season accolades are getting old when the defense is abused in the playoffs year after year.

I have a very good friend who is a Panthers fans. He told me the same thing. Frazier and McD are very alike in the way they run their defense and firing Frazier likely does little to change anything.

Chiefs lost their best WR and got better lol.

While we cant say for sure, that regular season Bengals game was starting like the playoff blowout. I have a hard time believing we win that regular season game even if Hamlin didn't go down.

Stop! I can only get so excited!

4 years. Levy was hired at the end of the 86 season after Ralph fired Bullough. Levy had already been in 2 Super Bowls by the same point in his Buffalo career that Sean McDermott is in.

Copy & Paste problem. I copied the original posters list that included Peterson and then not realizing, entered my own Pederson.

They did sign for less. Both in total money AND guaranteed money. Cap amounts are a formulaic rule based on many factors including structuring and years and not only the total/guaranteed amount you pay the player. You forgot that we would have saved $4.2M in cap for not signing Saffold and $8M in cap for not signing Morse and $5.15M for not signing Von and almost $2M for not signing Quess. So let's do some math here. Humphrey: 1.3M Collins: 4.6M Daniels: 4.2M Scherff: 7.7M Total of: 17.8M Now lets subtract the players we would NOT have: 17.8M - 4.2M for Saffold - 8.0M for Morse - 1.8M for Quessenbery (since Bates would become the backup T) - 5.15M for Von --------------- = $1.35M SURPLUS We would have saved $1,350,000 more (not spent 12.5M more) in CAP for a brand new o-line in 2022. And that's not including the fact that you missed my comment in the original post saying I wouldn't have signed Scherff. I would have just used Bates in hi LG spot. OK, let's do some math again. Humphrey: 1.5M Collins: 9.4M Daniels: 11.2M Scherff: 20.9M Total of: 43M Now lets subtract the players we would NOT have: 43M - 4M for whatever player they would have replace Saffold with - 11.1M for Morse - 1.8M for whatever player they would have replaced Quessenberry with - 18.6M for Von --------------- = $7.5M We would have spent $7.5M more (not 24M more) in CAP for a brand new o-line in 2023. Now, being that Beane's contracts have been well designed, he likely adds on bonus years for Schlerff and Daniels, just like he did with Von. That's the only reason Von's cap number is reasonable, even if his total number is not. If Beane did that, the $7.2M all but disappears altogether. Personally, as I said in the original post, I wouldn't have signed Schlerff. I would have slid Bates into LG like we did in late 2021 and he did great. Doing that REALLY obliterates any cost overruns. That would bring Year 1 savings to almost $9M and year 2 savings to around $12M. And the line would have been: LT: Dawkins LG: Bates C- Humphrey RG: Daniels RT: Collins Long story short, your numbers were way off. Nope. No one else posted this, because the other people in this thread read my post for what it said, not what you wanted it to say. They also didn't forget to subtract numerous players on the team that wouldn't be here if we signed an entire new o-line. And for what it’s worth, I personally would have been fine with them even spending $10M more in cap for a brand new o-line rather than having, say, Poyer, who I really like but is worth less than an entire o-line.

No one cares for spelling correction guy on the internet.

May depend on our definition of good. Lots of mid round prospects but not sure they’re immediate starters.

Prior to the SB’s, 7 of the previous 8 seasons were 9 or less wins. The run of success we are having now is more similar of the actual SB years… minus the playoff success.

I think Mauch is projected 2nd round.

Must be Torrence. He's the only 1st round worthy guard i've heard about.

Yes but I personally dont want anything to do with him.

Yeah this post is only about free agency. The draft is definitely another source.

Agreed. Im just being hopeful.

In my opinion, we missed a prime opportunity to rebuild the o-line the last two off-seasons. I did a bit of thinking about what we could have done last offseason and that's the first part of the post, but then below that I go over what options are available this offseason. O-line we could have had maybe LT- Dion Dawkins LG- Brandon Scherff or Ryan Bates (I prefer Bates) C- Creed Humphrey RG- James Daniels RT- L'aell Collins Collins signed a 3 year, $21M contract with the Bengals last off-season. Daniels signed a 3 year, $26.5M contract with the Steelers last off-season. Scherff signed a 3 year, $49.5M contract with the Ravens last off-season. Creed Humphrey is on a rookie 4 year, $5.5M contract with the Chiefs. All of these players COMBINED were signed/drafted for LESS than the Bills gave Von Miller (in both total money and guaranteed money). Would you trade Von for a brand new o-line? I like Von, but I think I would do that trade. In addition to this, we would have offset the $19.5M given to Morse last year (on a 2 year deal), and $6.5M we gave to Saffold to be a turnstile this year. I guess you could say that we dont know if some of these players would have wanted to come to Buffalo, but I think the days of players spurning Buffalo just because are over. Looking ahead - Here are the linemen due to be free agents this offseason: Quick Note: All estimated market values are from SPOTRAC. LT Orlando Brown - Franchised by the Chiefs this season, he hasn't played worth the money he's been paid and many people think the Chiefs don't re-sign him. His estimated market value is $22M per season. Too expensive for the Bills LG Ben Powers - Did plenty of run blocking in Baltimore's run heavy offense, but also excelled in pass blocking in 2022. In fact, he was PFF's highest graded pass-blocking guard and ranked 10th in ESPN's pass block win rate and 2nd in run block win rate. Spotrac doesnt list an estimated market value. At only 26 years old, this is the type of player you would love to throw money at. Problem is, we don't have any. This is a dream signing for me - sigh. RT Isaiah Wynn - Patriots 1st round pick in 2018 that was a LT but was demoted to RT. Finished the season on IR and has struggled to stay healthy in his short career. I have read that he may have to take a "prove it" deal, but Spotrac disputes that by having him estimated at a 5 year, $77M contract ($15M per year). His name was floated around as a possible trade deadline move in November. G Isaac Seumalo - A lisfranc injury ended his 2021 and some people thought he might be a post June 1 cut, but he has had a really solid 2022 season. Philly papers say he is the most underrated player on a great Philly o-line and is the glue of the line. He is 29 years old and his estimated market value is $12M per season. Can't imagine why he would leave Philly or Philly would let him walk after the season they and he just had but Super Bowl teams typically have to make hard choices. RT George Fant - His estimated market value is $3M per season. He was a fringe starter in 2020 that become a breakout player in 2021 and then went downhill in 2022. He had knee surgery before the season and went on IR twice during the season. He can play both RT and LT and his estimated market value is $3.3M per season. C Connor McGovern - Didn't miss a snap all season, but is pretty average. Remember when Milano wrecked Mike White and broke his ribs? That was on McGovern. He doesn't handle the blitz well from what I've read. His estimated market value is $12.5M per season. C Jason Kelce - He is an All-Pro that is about to play in his 2nd Super Bowl in 5 years. But he's also 35 years old, has mentioned in the past how his body is "falling apart", and has publicly pondered retirement. His estimated market value is $11.9M per season and if he comes back I doubt its for anyone but the Eagles. G Justin Pugh - Another player pondering retirement, and he missed most of the season due to an ACL injury. His estimated market value is $5.5M per season if he decides to play again. RT Mike McGlinchey - He is huge like Spencer Brown (6ft,8 ) and his 71.5 PFF grade is better than all the Bills current o-linemen except Dawkins. He is a dominant run blocker but can struggle in pass protection. The 49ers have been grooming his replacement (Colton McKivitz) and conventional wisdom says they let McGlinchey walk. His estimated market value is $10.7M per season. G Wes Schweitzer - His estimated market value is $13.8M per season but I think that's mainly because he is a versatile linemen that can switch from G to C and back effortlessly. Aside from that, he is the definition of "solid", not "great". From everything i've read he is an up and down player, going to be expensive, and I would be shocked if Buffalo looks at him. G Trai Turner - This screams Beane signing. Former Carolina Panther with an estimated market value of $2.6M. He is a former 5 time pro-bowler that is past his NFL expiration date but was better Saffold this year (like, 10 points better, if you believe PFF). C Garrett Bradbury - Contract year guy. Last season, Bradbury was ranked by 39th out of 41 centers by PFF. He graded out as the third-worst pass-blocking center and was ranked 21st in run blocking. This year (contract year), he was 12th overall, 9th in run blocking, but still ranked 23rd out of 31 centers who played nearly 600 snaps. C Bradley Bozeman - He signed with Carolina as a backup on a cheap one year deal and parlayed the opportunity into a solid year where he broke into a starting role. He is projected to get a 3 year, $36M contract. RT Kaleb McGary - Another contract year phenom, McGary had his 5th year option declined by the Falcons before breaking out this year. He is estimated to receive $17M per season so he's not coming to Buffalo. RT Dalton Risner - I have read some not so pretty things about Risner. Everything from "slow feet" to "cant sustain blocks". He did win the Darrent Williams Good Guy award though, which probably gives McD some little-blue-pill-like excitement. The Broncos didnt pick up his 5th year option and it looks like they may let him test free agency. His estimated market value is $9.5M per year. RG Nate Davis - Just had the best season of his career, where he improved his PFF grades by almost 15 points. I'm always wary of contract year performances but this seems like another Beane'ish type move. His estimated market value is $7.4M per year with is only $1M less than Beane paid Saffold. Titans bloggers say he is a "must resign" for Tennessee, so its possible we never get the chance at him. Opinion: Personally, I don't think the Bills should have ever moved Bates from LG to RG. They did it to put Saffold at LG, but Bates was in the zone at LG at the end of the 2021 season and in the playoffs. n my opinion, I think best case scenario for the line in 2023 is: LT- Dion Dawkins LG- Ryan Bates C- Mitch Morse RG- Trai Turner RT - Mike McGlinchey I say best case scenario because it would require some restructuring and moving money around to sign McGlinchey. I also say best case scenario because I don't think the Bills are ready to give up on Spencer Brown, so it probably won't happen for that reason either. But even as he gets better, I just don't ever see Spencer having the agility or speed to handle fast edge rushers. McGlinchey right now is what the Bills hope Spencer Brown develops into. Ok, tell me how I'm wrong about everything

Daboll led a terrible roster to a divisional game. Not sure how you can put him that low. My list 1) Reid, Belichek, Shanahan 2) Zac Taylor. Nick Siriani, McVay 3) McDermott, Carroll, Daboll, Harbaugh, Peterson, Tomlin, Pederson, Vrabel, Lafleur 4 Stefanski, Saleh, McDaniel, Campbell

True. You're right. And if this was year 3, I'd agree with you. In fact, I DID agree with you after year 3. But we are now entering year 6. And we really need to start seeing some growth as far as blunders go in the playoffs. Even a deep playoff loss where we simply lost because the other team got lucky, or some other issue that doesn't involve coaching making several blunders like 13 Seconds and the issues we saw against Cinci (twice). My biggest problem is that the same issues keep happening year after year after year. And to watch KC, with a worse defense, but a HOF coach, absolutely shut down Cinci's attack, is disheartening.