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I remember the Osemele situation well. It was only a few years ago. He was washed up (Jets literally got him for a 6th rd pick if I remember right). He got his own surgery and he wasn’t good enough to care about cutting so they cut him. What’s your point? I’ve shown numerous reasons Reid is bad at evaluating. Half of the years he was in KC pre-Veach he had a bottom 15 defense, for example. Osemele and Schwartz were washed up in 2020 and that line was bad before they got hurt, and just got worse. His o-line evaluation skills are a big bone of contention on ChiefsPlanet. You not wanting to believe doesn’t matter to the truth.

Jumping into a conversation mid-thread is going to leave you confused. No one is saying the Chiefs line isn’t good right now. They brought in Veach to fix the line and fix the line he did. We are talking about when Andy Reid in charge of it. When the Chiefs gave up like 10 sacks or whatever to the Bucs, and before that when he has a bottom 15 line for half of his years. .

Osemele was toast by the time he joined the Chiefs. You mention his one all-pro year that happened on a completely different team. Not just his previous team, but his previous previous team. Several years before he was on the Chiefs, who picked him up after he was CUT by the Jets after one season. Or there is Mitchell Schwartz who was playing on a one year deal that season he got injured because he was toast too. .

Some vague comment in an article that Reid prioritized line? What’s their to say? That he was bad evaluating even as he priorities it? Chiefs have had a bottom 15 o-line for at least half of his years there. And how many of those 3 ever played another down in the NFL? I know the answer. The line was bad before they went down. .

How many of those 3 ever played another down in the NFL? I know the answer. The line was bad before they went down. Visit ChiefsPlanet and see for yourself.

Honestly I think there are quite a few people buying. I haven’t been the only one saying it. Agreed on that. But just as impossible to prove that external factors derailed the season. Best you’ll get is a player making an excuse because no player or coach is going to admit the other team was flat out better. Ego. .

Before Damar was injured, in game 1, Cinci walked down the field and scored. Then got the ball back and was walking down the field again when Damar went down. We could not stop them. They were getting ready to blow our doors off with Damar playing! They’re just better right now. Nothing to do with psychology. It’s not difficult to see when one team is simply better than the other. Even going back to the first matchup that was cancelled.

Which is exactly what people are doing with excusing the Cinci game away due to the Damar situation. We lost because Cinci is better. We looked flat because Cinci is better. We looked defeated because Cinci is better. And we looked shell shocked because every player knew there was nothing they could do because Cinci is better. I find blaming the loss on the Damar situation or any other external factor rather disgusting. Feels like a forum of wannabe psychologists pretending they’ve analyzed the situation and determined that the team was so deeply burdened by a player going down three weeks and two wins prior, that they simply couldn’t muster the will to go on. Bleh!

I read it just fine. The point just flew over your head. They were upset that they couldn’t get him signed after giving up so much for him in draft picks. KC realized they got hosed. He was the worst LT in the playoffs last season giving up 11 pressures in 3 games. The Chiefs won the SB despite him. He ranges from average to suck. PS, the fact that Brown only got a 4 year, $68M contract in Cinci is another sign of how bad Andry Reid is at linemen. It’s his only downside. He is amazing at everything else. He offered the guy a 6 year, $139M deal. He was willing to pay a mediocre linemen tens of millions dollars more than he was worth. .

Hope you're right! Why was he still available on such a short deal?

lol I haven't even read the entire thread but I can all but guarantee there is someone in here talking about how amazing this move was and how underrated it was and how Beane is a master.

Thank goodness.

Same. Sal knows a lot and is pretty well connected by now, but he REFUSES to use that network to his advantage because he is afraid of angering the Bills brass. I'll never forget the Boston media literally laughing at the softball questions our media asks after games. It was embarrassing.

Brady has 7 diamonds without much pressure in the division.

Rodgers has been nutty for years. While winning MVPs.

This lame fraternity bro response is expected but still disappointing. There is a valley of difference between being scared and being realistic.

Yes. And even with him being great, we have flamed out in the playoffs 4 years in a row. And we flamed out, despite not having to go through a tough divison. Now we are going to have a tough division to deal with, and it'll be much harder.

Considering the reports are that the Chiefs were "frustrated" and "disappointed" by Orlando Brown... yeah, I do think they regret the trade. 2 years of mediocre-to-bad LT play, paying him top dollar one of those years, and then leaves. https://arrowheadaddict.com/2022/07/19/kc-chiefs-frustrated-disappointed-orlando-brown-jr/

With at least a 50% fail rate. Or… teams just don’t see next years picks as devalued by a round. The other side of the coin is that by the devalue logic, teams should be begging other teams to take their good players in exchange for picks. So they can get a bunch of cost controlled players.

You’re using the false fallacy that the end result means every move before that was good. Orlando Brown was not good. He gave up 11 pressures in the playoffs. That’s almost as many as some LT’s gave up all last season (17 games). You won the SB despite Orlando Brown. Not because of. Defenders blowing by him and pressuring Mahomes was not the key to victory. Trey Smith was a trade with the Jets. Not Ravens. And you could have taken Bolton AND a LT AND Trey Smith without ever trading for Brown, AND kept $16M in cap.

That’s the thing. If NFL teams really devalued next years picks, then we would be seeing mass swaps of future picks. Trade next years 1st round pick every year - it’s just a 2nd round pick after all - and load your team with players that have already proven themselves in the NFL.

Well if you’re friends with NFL GM’s then I won’t argue with you. I’ll be skeptical but I won’t argue. But in that case, we should be trading our next years 1st round picks every year for quality NFL players, since it’s only a 2nd round pick. Right?

According to who? Show me the NFL team that has released data on how they value trades. It doesn’t exist. Last we heard, NFL teams have all but scrapped that old chart in favor of proprietary charts they make in house and you don’t have access to. No one said it wasn’t a 2nd. You seem to be fighting a battle that isn’t in contention. Though the old chart is useless now since teams have changed it and we don’t know the new values, it probably is *somewhere* around a high to mid 2nd round pick. But all I said was the Chiefs got hosed and I stand by that. The funny part is that if you go to ChiefsPlanet, they say the same thing. Top 5 money and a plethora of picks for a mediocre LT that was the weak link in their line. .

Trey Smith was taken with the pick you got from Carolina. You can try to rationalize it because KC selected Bolton, but the fact is that they could have taken Bolton with the #31 pick too. In all, KC gave up a 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 5th in exchange for a medicare LT that gave up 11 pressures in the playoffs a 2nd and a 6th. And they only got that mediocre player for 2 years and one of those years they had to pay him top 5 money. Your own fans at ChiefsPlanet know the trade sucked. There’s a whole thread about it. There was no “pro bowl quality LT” about it. He’s painfully mediocre and i’m very happy Cinci overpaid him.

I’m not discounting a draft pick because it was next years instead of this years. It was a 5th round pick.