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You know you would be stuck if you answered that hypothetical. You and @Augie agree - but both of you leave out that you can be good enough to make the playoffs *forever*, but never good enough to win a SB.

They’ll hate the best players too. Which, objectively, makes absolutely no sense.

I genuinely do not understand how you don't see the distinction. It is clear, obvious and delineating. I'll try one more time and then leave it at that. Kincaid dropping a pass is a tangible failure - he didn’t perform a basic task that he is specifically paid to do. There is no hypothetical here. He *should* have caught the pass. It is what he is paid to do. This is contrasted with you imagining various what-ifs about what could have happened if Allen didn't recover a fumble that he did recover. This is not analyzing reality, it's just imagining scenarios to artificially increase blame on Allen. You're trying to punish Allen for something bad that didn’t happen. Whereas I am discussing something that *did* happen (Kincaid dropping the ball). Long story short (breaking through all the noise) - you just want to continue with anti-Allen rhetoric. That's all it boils down to.

I think its because of where you parking. Its taken me 1.5 hours to get into the lot and 2+ hours to get out. Far more congested without Lot 2.

lol no. Saying a football player should do what he is paid to do. Example: Catch the ball ... Is drastically and vastly different than stating that *if Allen had not recovered a fumble then bad things would have happened and therefore he should be blamed more*. I am not offended. I am flabbergasted - but not offended. Yeah I talked about those games in the part of the post that you cut out.

So now we moving on to alternate universes? We are talking about plays that actually happened, and didn't hurt us, but could have if something else might have happened, even though what happened was good? "Well gee whiz, you see, if the Eagles bus got hit by a meteor on the way to the stadium, then the Chiefs would have won this years super bowl derp" This has now reached epic levels of ridiculousness. You're talking about him going for the jugular - throwing to Shakir in the endzone for the TD - rather than hitting Diggs on the crosser. Let's be clear. Allen 1000% made the right choice. You never, ever, ever, ever, ever turn down a TD for a short crosser with the game on the line and the chances of you seeing the ball again basically nill. Why? It's simple: Lets say Allen hits Diggs on that crosser and we get the first down and those 10 yards or so. Great. Now here is the kicker. We have ZERO clue what would happened next. Maybe we bleed all 3 minutes off the clock and score a TD!I Or maybe we have a bad snap, leading to a fumble and the Chiefs getting the ball. Or maybe Allen could have spun out of a tackle and torn his ACL in 3 places (it was raining after all). Or maybe we could have had back-to-back penalties resulting in 1st and 30 and out of field goal range Every possibility is available under the scenario where he takes the short crosser. So the options become: Option A: Take the 7 points Option B: Take a first down and *maybe* 7 points later This is simple math. You take the probability with the highest % of scoring the TD every time. There is not an NFL coach on this planet who is going to tell his QB to look past the open receiver in the endzone because there is an open crosser. NONE. ZIP. NADA. They will all tell you to GO FOR THE ENDZONE! Allen 100% made the right decision to throw the dagger to Shakir in the endzone. This is not even debatable. And if Dawkins had not got his lunch served to him, this wouldn't even be a discussion. But he did.

Edit: forgot about the Houston game... In the 3rd of those 5 OT games... Gabe Davis, after being on the team for four frigging years, still couldn't run the right routes and took pylon on an option route instead of taking inside leverage which would have been a TD (or interference). I'm sure we all remember that one well. I do blame Allen for the Vikings OT. Thats the only one I blame him for. PS, Most clutch QBs (trailing in the last 5 mins since 2000) 1. Joe Burrow 2. Josh Allen 3. Lamar Jackson 4. Tom Brady 5. Patrick Mahomes (link)

Red herring fallacy. Him being MVP and having more value than the team has nothing to do with your anti-Allen rhetoric.

If a magical genie came to you tomorrow and said: I will grant a lifetime of winning the division, making the playoffs, and “contending” for a SB, but it’s guaranteed that you will never see a Bills Super Bowl win ever. Would you take that deal?

Right so let’s ignore the plays that aren’t Allen’s fault and focus on the ones where it *might* be partially his fault in some way, shape or form (maybe). vs KC 2023 - Dawkins got his lunch served to him and disrupted what would have been a TD throw by Allen that would have had us taking the lead. @ KC 2024 - The 4th and inches BS call by the refs (with the ref who had the clearer view signaling first down yet deferring to the ref with the less clear view). And the Kincaid drop. And Dorsey, err I mean Brady, leaving our most dynamic non-QB player on offense on the sideline. But let’s ignore those. Let’s pretend those didn’t happen because there were other plays that happened too and those plays are the ones that you want to harp on because Allen *might* have some culpability there, because he definitely has no culpability with the other plays. Between Gunnar pretending he knows more than Ryan Fitzpatrick and you wanting to ignore every play by Allen that would have won/taken the lead in a game, the anti-Allen rhetoric has reached a ridiculous point on this forum.

They definitely had a chance in the second Super Bowl too. Kelly just played so incredibly horrible that he doomed us. That and the offense as a whole played uncharacteristically terrible. And it wasn't because Washington was so good that they forced the Bills to play poorly. There were at least 2 TD drops (maybe 3?). Plus Kelly completely abandoning the run game and throwing some terrible INTs. A lot of unforced errors. Allen wins 2 of those Super Bowls.

Barely. Parking is an absolute freaking disaster at the moment.

“Undetermined”… however the toxicology report found “the presence of several substances, including amphetamines/methamphetamines.” Take that for what you will.

Any team that takes Sanders deserves the circus they get

Aside from Carter, Wendel Smallwood (witness intimidation related to murder) and Josh Sills (rape) come to mind. The Eagles also tried to trade for Deshaun Watson before the Browns got him. As you likely recall, Deshaun Watson was sued by 20+ women for sexual assault. I wasn’t specifically talking about domestic/sexual abuses though. Just character concerns in general.

Or the Eagles. Neither of those teams give a toot about character.

Perfect thread title @Kirby Jackson 😂

Judging from the posts here, I think the Patriots are going to surprise a lot of you.

Surprised it took so long

Semantics. The point of the post had nothing to do with Whaley. The point of the post was that Beane didn’t make that decision. Had I known you would be so offended and wanting to defend Whaley’s honor, I would have made that abundantly clear (though i think everyone else understood the point except for you)

What does that have to do with Beane? Are you trying to claim that Beane gave the order to trade the Mahomes pick from the Panther draft room? I assume not - which is why i’m confused by your post. My point stands - Beane did not make that decision.

Whaley traded them Mahomes Beane was still in Carolina

I don’t care if they took him with 30th pick. There is zero chance

There is ZERO percent chance of this happening. Schoen would be chased out of town with *literal* pitchforks, if he drafted a RB after letting Saquan leave and win a SB at a rival.

I can all but guarantee that we will never trade with KC again as long as Beane and McD are here.