SaulGoodman

Like the other poster mentioned, KC lost 3 more starters in the playoffs, including an all pro guard and their best edge rusher. Also, they were without Mike Edwards vs the Bills. And it's disingenuous to judge all those players by starts. McKinnon wasn't the starting RB, but he had 10 TDs in 2022.

Yeah, there's definitely a contingent here who give KC plenty of credit. I was referring to the other side. I don't consider it praise to just give a little credit to the opponent. I think the Chiefs' defense was terrible in the 13 seconds game, but I can acknowledge that Allen and the Bills had quite a bit to do with it. Same with the 35 allowed to the Eagles last year, etc.

How would you know that? Are you actually studying the feet of WRs on every play of every game? I've seen numerous screenshots of players that were further offside than Toney and it wasn't called. Like I said, it was only called a couple times all year, and it just happened to erase THAT play in that moment. You can't seriously claim that Bills fans wouldn't consider that unlucky if it had happened to them.

Agreed. Bills would not have been 2.5 point favorites if they were as depleted as the fanbase claims. Like you said, Bernard was a pretty big loss and KC took advantage. Just like the Bills took advantage of bums like Sorenson and Niemann in the 13 seconds game, and DBs falling down or blowing assignments every other play.

Nothing random or unlucky? Come on, man. It was literally the first time that had been called in Arrowhead in 25 years and the first time in Andy Reid's entire career. Also, he'd been lining up that way the entire game and they looked the other way until that moment, which just happened to erase a classic play that likely would have won the game. That's the very definition of horrible luck. The reason they started calling offensive offside occasionally this year was due to linemen using it to gain an advantage in the "tush push." The new level of enforcement wasn't intended for WRs. Which is why it was only called on a WR a couple times all year, and they looked the other way at receivers lining up offside every week. Happens all the time.

Playoff Chiefs, and Mahomes in particular, are a different animal than the regular season Chiefs. The Patriots were the same way. They'd have a mediocre regular season or stretches of bad play, and then flip the switch in the postseason and take another trophy. Mahomes is on a different level of focus when it gets real. I remember when the Alex Smith Chiefs blew out two really good Patriots teams in the regular season. Like, annihilated them. But guess who was hoisting the trophy in the end while the Chiefs were one and done? If a KC fan were to view the 13 seconds game as a product of poor defense, would you feel slighted? Doesn't seem like any of you will give credit to a team that's had one of the most successful stretches in NFL history, particularly offensively. And you could certainly make the case that defense was mostly responsible for that, as if you take away just the one instance of the DB falling down on 4th and forever, it's probably a comfortable win for KC. And what no one ever mentions is that KC's defense hasn't been stellar in the regular season OR playoffs until this year. 37 pts allowed in the loss to NE in '18. The next year they allowed an average of 25 ppg and 31 vs the Texans. Including a 24-0 hole early in the game. Gave up 31 vs Tampa in the SB. 36 to the Bills in 21. 27 to Cincy the next week. 35 vs Philly in the SB.

So when they tell someone to catch AIDS, you think they mean it? Like I said, some of them have a crude and twisted sense of humor, but it's obviously not meant to be taken too seriously. Kansas is above average in terms of education and Missouri is around average. KC is a pretty educated city. The less refined or trashy posters you come across are probably from Jackson County. The Kansas side tends to be more refined. But in many cases it's just schtick and they'd probably be perfectly respectful and friendly in person. Generalizing an entire region and fanbase based on a few message board posts is pretty silly. If someone took the same approach to judging your fanbase, they'd say you're all unrefined table jumpers who hurl dildos and finger buttholes in the stands. 😆

I can definitely see your side. I just think these things tend to get exaggerated. Such as claiming that a bunch of people there hope for injuries. I don't think that's the case at all.

By few, I meant two. I'd agree that having Kelce and Hill together was an advantage. But the Bills' defense was #1 that year and KC's was average at best, with some huge weak spots like Sorenson and Niemann (which Allen and the Bills feasted upon). Also, Diggs and Knox were no slouches, and "Big game Gabe" had FOUR TDs in the 13 seconds game. You guys talk about KC players stepping up in big games, but I don't remember anyone stepping up like that. Mahomes' defense consistently crapped the bed that night, including DBs falling down at the most inopportune times (one left Davis wiiiiiiide open on a 4th and long desperation play). And his normally excellent kicker missed two easy kicks. You're just highlighting things that the Bills didn't have, while not mentioning what they did have or what KC didn't. It's hard to argue that KC's offensive talent was better than Buffalo's in 2022. A wash at best. Bills were better basically everywhere but TE and interior OL. And the interior OL wasn't/isn't even particularly good at run blocking. KC's tackles were both pretty bad. Mahomes made them look much better than they were. And to say they had similar talent this year is silly. KC had one good WR, who didn't really emerge until late. The rest were a disaster. To the point they had to healthy scratch two players who were expected to play large roles this year out of fear that they'd screw something up. The receiving corps was a national punchline all year long. Gabe Davis would have been the best Chiefs WR before Rice's emergence, and he was Buffalo's 5th or 6th best receiving weapon. Bills had two good TEs (one very talented). KC had one, and he started to show his age. Buffalo had a weaker interior OL but much better tackles. Like the year before, Mahomes made the tackles look better than they were. And Cook is arguably better than Pacheco. Regardless, their ground game was more consistently effective. I very much doubt that Allen would have had a lot of success in KC's offense this year. Also, you can't reduce the playoff game to a missed kick (by a kicker who was 2/5 in the postseason) while neglecting to mention that you won the game in KC due to one of the luckiest and most random flags ever.

Again, I think you probably took a lot of it too seriously. I doubt that anyone actually hoped for an injury. If so, it was probably the one or two bad apples that you'll find anywhere. I will admit that some of them have a twisted sense of humor though.

There's some vulgarity, but that's not exactly uncommon on the internet these days. And a lot of it is schtick that people take way too seriously. Forums are always judged by the loudest voices, but it's silly to generalize a board with so many posters. If somebody goes there to actually talk football respectfully, you'll have a few telling you to go eff yourself, but plenty will oblige.

Thank you. Exactly what I've been saying. If you're expecting your defense to shut down a Mahomes/Kelce/Reid offense in the playoffs, you're probably going to be disappointed no matter who you are. And if Josh is the Superman that people claim, he shouldn't need a million weapons and/or a super elite defense to get it done.

No, that’s not the reason I’m here. But if I see something that I competely disagree with, I’ll probably chime in, like anyone else would. If you don’t go to any other boards, great. But for the record, some Bills fans do post on Chiefs Planet. One of them created a thread to tell KC fans that the Bills would take the AFC this year. Others have created accounts just to troll and mock people. Frankly, I don’t mind. I’ll just give it right back to the trolls. I like some banter with non-KC fans. Gets boring otherwise.

I don’t think anybody created an acct just to come here and gloat. I know I’m not here for that. But I do chime in when there’s an inaccurate narrative. It’s no different than Bills fans getting triggered by every little thing that the media allegedly says or doesn’t say about Allen.

900 threads about KC but it’s KC fans that have an inferiority complex? You can say plenty of things about Chiefs fans but I don’t think that’s one of them.

I think it’s bizarre that it was overwhelming too.

I don’t think very many people consider Jackson a better QB than Allen. Some just believe he had a better regular season. Primarily because Allen had a lot more interceptions and double the INT rate.

This is the kind of bogus narrative I’m talking about. There weren’t any spectacular catches by KC receivers in that game. People’s expectations for MVS were so low that just seeing him catch passes that hit him in the hands seemed spectacular. But the reality is his hands aren’t that bad. People fixate on a few costly plays. Watson dropped an early pass that would have resulted in a first down. Rice had one of his least productive games in months. Hardman had the goal line fumble and another that was recovered. Mistakes were still made and nothing out of the ordinary happened. The difference was that Toney and Moore weren’t activated. By far the best catch in that game was Shakir’s in the end zone.

I’d argue that the only thing Allen can do that Mahomes can’t is run over someone. I’d also argue that Mahomes is capable of things that Allen isn’t, particularly from the mental aspect of the game. Which is huge, even though most focus on physical attributes. Regardless, this isn’t the way to evaluate a player. Mike Vick could do things that no other QB could do. Does that make him better than Allen and Brady? Of course not, because he was too flawed in other areas. A lot of QBs can pull off great plays at times. What separates the best is the ability to consistently make great plays, and at the biggest moments. Allen and Mahomes both make plenty of great plays, but the main thing that separates them is that Mahomes has a much lower rate of INTs and fumbles throughout his career. You can dismiss this, but it’s a major factor that Bills fans always ignore. Mahomes is like a Favre who makes fewer mistakes than Brady. What? You think most consider Manning better than Brady? Maybe early in their careers. No one claims that now.

Don’t you think it’s a little disingenuous to compare stats from a 10 game sample to 6 games? None of these stats had any bearing on the MVP votes anyway.

A mediocre kicker missing a 44-yard under major pressure isn’t a mistake. He was 2/5 in the playoffs. And you’re preaching to the choir about drops. If KC’s receivers hadn’t led the league in drops by a mile, that game wouldn’t have been played in Buffalo.

As a KC fan, I have to say you know your stuff! Hard to disagree with anything you’re saying.

I definitely haven’t said that Mahomes hasn’t had any advantages. He had a lot of offensive talent around him in his first few seasons, his defense was very good this year, and his coach is great with quarterbacks. But a lot of these narratives are bogus. You can’t say that the Buffalo staff could never scheme someone open when the very play we’re talking about was taken from the Bills. And you can’t say that Allen’s been at a disadvantage in terms of offensive talent the last few years.

Making excuses for what? I’m the only one on this board not making excuses. I doubt the Chiefs would miss the playoffs in any division. It’s not like the Bills face murderers row in the East. KC went 2-0 vs their toughest competition this year. Bills fans definitely thought KC’s receivers were weak a few weeks ago. There was zero respect for them before the game in Buffalo. What made you develop respect for them since? 30-50 yards per game and catching a majority of passes that hit them in the hands for once?

That's Mahomes' only INT in his last 7 playoff games.