I don't have any information on which to evaluate him as a player, so I'll take Gunner's word for it that he's terrible. It is interesting, however that he has good measurables, or did coming out of college. Besides being big, he has long arms, big hands and ran a 5.15. His production has been underwhelming to say the least. So, would there be anything a great defensive line coach could get out of him or is he stuck in mediocrity.