UKBillFan

I'm having trouble with the framing as well. Because you cannot exclude turnovers because of otherwise brilliant play. Otherwise Josh would have been the unanimous MVP last year.

Yes, and that would be a valid point then. The Bills idiotic play calling would have come back to haunt them. And the Ravens would have won despite of Lamar's turnovers.

Of course it was one thing which cost them the game. Not the only thing but one thing.

The fumble was one thing which cost them the game. Take the TD off the Bills and the Ravens win. He got lucky on the INT the Bills got called back on a non-existent penalty. With an eleven point lead - 7 of which came from one of the turnovers - at the half, the Bills went conservative, which I hated. Lamar is not solely responsible for the loss, but he played his part. Josh wasn't at his best yesterday but he protected the ball. He handed the Ravens nothing. Lamar helped the Bills to 7 and was a flag away from possibly more.

You could say that about any QB. Take out the turnovers and they did their job. Lamar had a great second half when they got Henry going. He is a fantastic QB. But, despite stats which don't stand up to scrutiny, I cannot sit here and say someone who was solely responsible for one turnover and majorly responsible for another, which cost them the game, was better. And you may say Josh would get a free ride in here - debatable - but he wouldn't be getting the support from the media Lamar's getting now if the performances were reversed.

Regarding the fumble, it was a bad snap but he'd recovered control and was looking to make a play when he dropped the ball. Admiring Lamar is one thing. Making out he had no hand in the Ravens going out is something else. Josh had a better game because he protected the ball. Lamar didn't. Twice.

This. I didn't like Josh and McD coming out with "Everyone doubted us" yesterday. Too early. Take it to the Bowl. So I'm thankful the national media have presented something else to wind them up. This and the Chiefs basically getting a bye to the Super Bowl should be enough for this week. Then, hopefully after a victory at Arrowhead, Lamar winning MVP over Josh the night before the Super Bowl will propel Josh to even greater heights (though I will be delighted if he gets MVP too).

This was a strange game, as everyone played decently but no one excelled. Will go with... Allen, Cook, Shakir Bernard, Milano, Miller Bass

Thought I saw one before - but it deserves another thread as it really does show Josh's growth. And/or the defense had him wrapped up so tightly he couldn't throw it. Either or. 😆

The reaction of the majority on Josh's pass to Kincaid was bad throw which should have still been caught. It's the same with Andrews' two pointer. If they want him gone, I'd be happy if the Bills signed him.

Ironically, a lot of us are frustrated today because Josh wasn't really allowed to be Superman yesterday - whether that was McDermott's choice, Brady or his own. But, actually, isn't that a good thing? Just one turnover from the Bills and we'd be looking at the post season right now.

He's the reason they needed the perfect comeback in the first place. And Josh wouldn't have been allowed to forget it.

It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so obvious.

Lamar is a great QB. He did haul them back into the game yesterday but, other than a couple of great plays, that was mainly due to McDermott doing his classic approach of going conservative too early on both sides of the ball. And two of his plays but them behind the sticks in the first place, with the flutter pass interception and fumble. What grates me is the media narrative. With Josh, those two plays would have him being called out as gifting two many turnovers, his mistakes were key to the defeat, yet again Sugar High Josh appeared. I have no interest in looking at the Ravens forum but, whilst I'm sure they're still very supportive of Lamar and rightly so, I'd guess they're far more critical of the turnovers than the national media are. It seems to be one rule for one, one rule for the other. I called him Teflon man on another thread, and that feeds into me perhaps being more critical of Lamar than I should be.

He's Teflon man - nothing sticks.

Can you imagine if Josh had turned the ball over twice in a Bills defeat? He'd be being ripped to shreds by the so-called experts right now.

Isn't that what we were saying about the game yesterday as well? The Chiefs just waited for the Texans to make errors and pounced when they did.

True though, in this case, it isn't really hindsight - most people were calling for it before it didn't happen.

If they'd just called tush pushes in the fourth, the end of the game wouldn't have been as nearly as stressful.

The Bills lost the second half 15-6. It should not have been that close. My goodness, the playcalling... If it goes that way in Arrowhead the Chiefs will feast. Time to tighten up. They're more than good enough to win at KC. Let's do it. (And I really hope Rapp is back, and Johnson isn't too seriously hurt)

Too many miscues from the Bills today. Not just players but coaches too. If it's not cleared up, then it'll be KC in the Super Bowl again. But then, I feared this game, so I'll happily take the win. 😁

Whilst the defense has sat on the bench during the second half watching the offense crap the bed.

Have you seen the Bills play off defense late in the fourth in close games?

Brady is blowing it.

Please, Bills, get the ball.