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One other note about Keon. https://www.buffalobills.com/news/buffalo-bills-select-fsu-wr-keon-coleman-with-no-33-overall-pick-2024-nfl-draft The player 2nd on the list is Puca Nacua who hit 20.06. He seems to do ok last season despite running 4.57 at his pro day. Puka is 6'2 210

I don't think you can say that. All you can say is that the WR room is inexperienced. Also to only discuss the WR room is to ignore two other key players in the passing game Kincaid and Cook. I wonder how Packers fans and the media ranked the Packers WR/TE group entering last season that featured 6 1st and 2nd year players. That seemed to work out ok as they hauled in 255 catches for 3177 yards and 28 TDs, with no player having more than 96 targets or 793 yards. Talk about a balanced attack. David and Diggs are the past, and they stunk last year. Time to move forward with Samuel and the kids.

A Coleman Comparison Keon Coleman (Combine) 6'3", 213, 321/8 arm, 9 3/8 hand, 4.61 40, 1.54 10, 38 vertical (drafted 33rd in 2024) Tee Higgins (Pro day) 6'4", 216, 34 1/8 Arm, 9.25 hand; 4.54 40, 1.66 10, 31 Vertical (drafted 33rd in 2020) Michael Pittman (Combine) 6'4", 223, 32.5 arm, 9.25 hand, 4.52, 1.51 10, 36.5 vertical (drafted 34th in 2020) I would say Higgins and Pittman are pretty good comparisons to Coleman. Hopefully he'll be as effective in the NFL. As a rookie for Cinn, Higgins had 67 catches on 108 targets for 908 and 6 TDs. In the next 3 years (Tee was hurt much of this past season) he had about 2750 yards on 230 catches 18 TDS. Pittman had 40 catches on 61 targets as a rookie for 503 yards and a TD. In the 3 years since he has had over 3100 yards on nearly 300 catches with 14 TDS.

Dude the stats are the stats. After week 6 Kincaid and Shakir were both more effective last season than Diggs. How do you define better? Diggs is certainly the player with the better history, but past performance is no guarantee of future results. I'll ask another question. Which of these 3 players has the most upside next season? Remember the goal here is to put the best team on the field going forward. Just because Diggs has had 5 straight 1000 yards seasons (an amazing accomplishment by the way), it doesn't mean that he is that player any longer.

OK, you be the judge. Here are the stats from last season. Which of the 3 players listed was the most effective receiver? Here are the stats after week 6 when we opened up the offense and started using Kincaid and Shakir more. (Stats include the playoffs) Diggs - 111 tgts, 68 rec, 636 yards, 3 TDS, Catch % 61.26, yards/att 5.73 Kincaid - 83 tgts, 64 rec, 659 yards, 3 TDS, Catch % 77.11%, yards/att 7.94 Shakir - 52 tgts, 45 rec, 646 yards, 3 TDS, Catch % 86.54%, yards/att 12.42

Thanks for the list. Maybe I should re-phrase. How many have made the active roster? It looks like Alec Anderson, Jonathan Kingsley and Ingram. Q. Morris as well?

I'm surprised it's that many. Who?

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-draft-winners-and-losers-eagles-steelers-commanders-load-up-more-iffy-moves-by-panthers/ Winners - Buffalo Bills

This maybe a reach, but I think they would have. We know that the Bills had Coleman higher than McConkey, Mitchell, Legette, Worthy, and Pearsall. If they didn't they would have taken one of Worthy, McConkey, Legette or Pearsall at 28 (or 32) instead of trading down (twice). So let's say for arguments sake that the Bills don't make the trade and draft Coleman at 28. Dallas and Baltimore don't take a WR. Dallas didn't grab a WR until the 6th round and Baltimore stole Tez Walker in the 4th. We know SF didn't want Legette, McConkey and Coleman. That leaves one question, would they have taken Worthy over Pearsall? That's the real question. Given how the 49ers went somewhat off the board by drafting Pearsall with Legette, McConkey, Coleman, & Mitchell available, I believe they had Pearsall ranked ahead of Worthy as well. By way the NFL had a draft grade of 6.4 on McConkey, 6.35 on Mitchell, 6.32 on Pearsall, 6.29 on Worthy, 6.26 on Legette, and 6.25 on Coleman Given this back drop, it seems to me that KC would ended up with Worthy anyway. I'm therefore glad Beane stuck to his guns, traded down and added the 3rd rd pick.

Loved Rosemy at UGA. Excellent possession receiver, but not a great fit here with Coleman, Hollins and Shorter already here. I'd love to see him make an NFL roster.

If Van Pran starts for the Bills it will be at C. He played C at UGA and is excellent at the shotgun snap. If Edwards falters or the McGovern at C experiment fails, the Bills will move McGovern to G, Edwards to the bench and Van Pran to center.

How many UDFA have made the Bills in the last 5 years?

Despite the contrarians on this thread, I think with Diggs gone, Brady (and thus Josh) has the freedom to try anything and with all the skill personnel. We will see 12 personnel (Kincaid and Knox), we'll see Cook split out, Samuel in the backfield and we could easily see Davis and Cook on the field at the same time. The most exciting thing is Josh is no longer handcuffed having to feed Diggs. My bold prediction for this coming season is we'll see the most dynamic offense Josh has ever QB'd.

As an IU alum, I'm very proud of point guard Xavier Johnson making the transition to football! He is a little injury prone however.

Singing?

I give Beane and company a solid B+. There are things to like about every single pick, and I like that we filled most of holes in the roster. I think we have at least 3 potential starters in this class. Coleman will start this season and depending on how camp goes, I think Van Pran and Bishop will push at worst for immediate PT. If either Edwards falters, Van Pran and Bishop will become starters this season. Bishop has size and speed. Van Pran allowed only 1 sack in 1300 passing attempts while at UGA and Coleman had 20 TD catches the last 2 years. This stats stood out to me when I realized that Shakir, Kincaid and Diggs only had 9 TDS on 246 targets from week 7 through the playoffs. Having someone that can go up and grab a ball in the red zone and end zone is a huge upgrade for our passing attack. I didn't know much about Solomon and Ulofoshio before the draft, but hard to argue with drafting the FBS sack leader in Solomon and a Butkus Award finalist in Ulofoshio in the late stages of the draft. If Solomon can have a similar impact in the pros as he did in college (a big if), it will help Beane move on from Miller. I also love the Davis pick. He is excellent catching out of the backfield, can make tacklers miss and get tough yards. He will thrive in Buffalo. Carter is by all accounts a really good football player in the 3 technique which is something we needed depth at. He is also a smart kid, a team leader at Duke and they say he is good against he run. Both lineman are developmental but are huge and athletic. We'll see if the CB (Hardy) can play CB in the NFL, but he is fast and could easily out battle Hamler for the kick returner job. Biggest complaints are Coleman lack of speed (although his in game speed is very good) and our failure with 10 picks to add a speed receiver option to help stretch the field. I'm a little surprised at Beane made all 10 choices. With the Diggs trade, the pick 144 for the Bears 4th in 2025 and compensatory picks, I think the Bills now have as many as 12 picks in 2025.

I posted this in another thread but it belongs here as well. FYI: Why do I think and others think Shakir can replace Diggs. He is physically nearly identical to Diggs, younger, cheaper, more productive since week 7 and more explosive. As to the thread question as to whether we did enough, I would argue we had if Coleman was faster. He certainly is a replacement for Davis and if when we move Shakir to DIggs' former position and Samuel to the slot, I think you can make a reasonable argument that the starters are set. Add Kincaid and Cook and you have a very nice group of targets for Josh. The question of depth beyond the starters at WR is a legit question. Right now we have Hollins, Shorter, Hamler & Isabella. Color me un-impressed.

Don’t discount Hamler making the team. I was pretty harsh when they signed him, but given his speed, NFL experience, and the new kickoff rules, the odds of him making the team have now increased.

No double dip on a WR. I guess they like Shorter more than we thought.

ESPN likes Solomon. Looks like a smart add to our edge depth.

Kid looks like a very good athlete. 4.72 40, 37 vertical. Lead FBS with 16 sacks. Also 3 forced fumbles.

LB Javon Solomon from Troy.

Van Pran might be as well.

Bills traded pick 144 (5th rd) to the Bears for the Bears 4th rd pick in 2025 Bills trade pick 163 (6th rd pick) to GB for 168 and 219. This gets us back to 10 picks in this draft.

Cbs gives the pick an A- and he was a Butkus award finalist.