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20 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:
No. Granted they can still try to do something before the season starts but this draft was a huge missed opportunity for a front office that ALWAYS talks itself into addressing offense some future year. Always. These guys have rules in their heads.
What were you expecting drafting at 28 with no 3rd round pick? Did you want them to give up their 2nd round and 4th round pick for Brian Thomas if teams were even taking calls in the 1st round for top receivers. Did you want Worthy instead of Coleman or Mitchell. I didn’t especially if I add a 3rd rounder. They addressed offensie the last 2 years even moving up for Kincaid. No one knows how receivers will fit in. 3 out 4 never make their 2 nd contract the last 10 years. The RB and Coleman will be good additions if they stress the run game like they did the last half of the season.
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2 minutes ago, Trogdor said:
He had two good games but then a bunch of stinkers as well. He even had the coveted 0 reception 0 target game. You should really look at the game logs.
Who Diggs or Coleman?
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2 hours ago, harmonkillebrew said:
Beane has a real tendency for a certain type of player.
Ray Davis is a Zack Moss clone
Coleman isn't too far off from Kelvin Benjamin and Devin Funchess.
None of those guys panned out.
Seems Beane consistently under values speed in skill players. I was hoping we'd come out of this draft faster and more explosive on O, but instead it's more of the usual.
Coleman would have been a decent replacement for Gabe. Similar skill set. Is Samuel supposed to be the Diggs replacement? Hard to see us being better on offense.
Or defense for that matter. They don't seem to have a vision or plan for getting better than the Chiefs. Feels like a reset year.
What a surprise, an elite talent evaluator fan, dismissing Coleman,the best receiver on an undefeated team. Only 50 catches for just under 700 yds and 11 TDs in 12 games. If you watched a few of his games you’d see plenty of separation and a monster on 50/50 balls. Diggs had 27 yds, a fumble and 3 catches on 8 targets in the biggest game of the year. He was crap the last 7 games of the season. The Texans converted his deal to a one year contract, because they see him as the malcontent diva on the other side of his career. Coleman is gamer on a rookie contract. Getting Diggs out was a positive. You referenced Moss as a comp for Davis. We never used Moss correctly because Motor was Sean’s favorite. He was great with Indy and Cinci thought enough of him to let Mixon go , making him the featured back. Beane’s selections have netted us the 2nd most wins in the NFL the last 4 years. 4 division titles and arguably the best QB in football. The defense has been in the top 5 until we got decimated by injuries last season. The Chiefs could’ve been beaten last year with one or two more plays. No Milano, no White, Miller still recovering after surgery, and Diggs giving us nothing equals not beating KC. Josh still put us in position to win. We’ll be better this season.
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16 hours ago, NewEra said:
So we should have stayed at 28 and drafted a player we could’ve had later, while not getting an extra 3rd rd pick….just so KC wouldn’t be able to give us a free 3rd rd pick in order to select a player that may have been there when they picked at 32? 🤷🏻♂️
worrying about other teams = fail
worrying about building your own team = yes please
do what’s best for your team. Worrying about what other teams are doing is for losers. Jmo
Who can disagree with that take?
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3 minutes ago, PayDaBill$ said:
What’s the percentage in round 2?😉
Don’t know the % but it’s one of the 2 lowest position groups in terms of players that stay on their original teams and the league.
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All the draft specialists on this board should understand 73% of the receivers drafted in the 1st round since 2014 washed out and never got a 2nd contract. No one knows who translates into a productive player. I do know Keon is a physically tough receiver that will dominate on 50/50 balls and reminds me of Keenan Allen.
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3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Im not negative, I really like Deebo and watching him play. I pushed back on the over exaggeration though of Deebo and the reference to him being a generational talent.
I don't share the same outlook that he is a perfect fit for us though. We need a boundary WR that can attack all 3 phases of the field, especially downfield. That is not Deebo. He is ok WR whose value is in YAC and short areas of the field where you get the ball in his hands and let him see what he can do. We already have 3 guys who specialize in that area and out of the slot in Shakir, Samuel, and Kincaid. And quite frankly, Shakir is quite good at YAC and has been referenced as being "Deebo lite" last year.
For as good as Deebo is as a football player, he isn't that special as an actual WR downfield. It is why him and Aiyuk compliment each other so well. He needs to be next to an Aiyuk not a Shakir or Samuel IMHO.
Who says we can’t design an offense that can use Deebo in the same way SF did? I don’t think Shakir would take away from the bubble screen and underneath pass game Deebo would be great at. We could always use a vertical receiver in the draft and there are an abundance of them. Shakir is a solid #2 and Curtis is versatile multi usage threat. Remember Deebo can also complement Cook in the run game.
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25 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Do you watch Deebo play? Because I do, and he is not the best WR on his own team, let alone better than Diggs has been. My wife is a die hard niners fan and we watch every game. Deebo is a nice player but he isn't a generational talent. And if you think any team would take Deebo over Marvin Harrison Jr, Malik Nabers, or Rome Odunze right now you are mistaken. Those guys are seen a generational talents whose ceilings vast exceed what Deebo is and at a fraction of the cost and younger age.
And there are a lot of WR's in the NFL that make the Bills better than Deebo would. And I like Deebo, hes a good player. But he is not a generational talent, nor is he HOF bound, which if someone who is a vet at 28 is being labeled a "generational talent" they better be on a HOF trajectory.
Deebo is excellent on YAC, but he isn't "great" at anything else. One of those "Jack of all trades, but master of none" type players. But come on...generational talent? Thats a Megatron, Moss, Julio, Hopkins, etc kind of player. If we are going to label guys like Deebo "generational talents" then they suddenly become not so rare.
Don’t compare Deebo with Diggs. When Diggs that Diva ingrate had a chance to get us to the SB, finally, he short armed a perfect ball and finished a forgettable 7 game stretch of being ordinary. How many SBs did Diggs get us to? The closest we got to beating KC, Gabe Davis had a great game not Diggs. Deebo was in 2 SBs and his best is yet to come.
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4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Do you watch Deebo play? Because I do, and he is not the best WR on his own team, let alone better than Diggs has been. My wife is a die hard niners fan and we watch every game. Deebo is a nice player but he isn't a generational talent. And if you think any team would take Deebo over Marvin Harrison Jr, Malik Nabers, or Rome Odunze right now you are crazy. Those guys are seen a generational talents whose ceilings vast exceed what Deebo is and at a fraction of the cost.
And there are a lot of WR's in the NFL that make the Bills better than Deebo would. And I like Deebo, hes a good player. But he is not a generational talent, nor is he HOF bound (which if someone who is a vet at 28 and being labled a "generational talent" they better be on a HOF trajectory).
Deebo is excellent on YAC, but he isn't "great" at anything else. One of those "Jack of all trades, but master of none" type players. But come on...generational talent? Thats a Megatron, Moss, Julio, Hopkins, etc kind of player. If we are going to label guys like Deebo "generational talents" then they suddenly become not so rare.
We were out of the running for Harrison, Nabors or Odunze, picking at 28. Naturally you wouldn’t take Deebo over a 5 year rookie contract of a top ten talent but Deebo is 28 and has 4 or 5 years of top production. He amassed excellent #s with the noodle armed QB in SF. Can you imagine what he could do with Josh? Why do you think Houston converted Diggs to a one year deal.? He’s not the same guy anymore and especially without Josh. Deebo is a perfect fit for us. He’s a gamer and is coming into his prime years. Why so negative?
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9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Yes I can think of a dozen WR's before blinking an eye that make this team better Deebo does. Honestly, I can name 3 WR's in this draft that I would take without question over Deebo to make this team better.
Deebo is a nice player, dont get me wrong, I like Deebo and enjoy watching him play. But "generational talent"? Same WR who has broken 900 yards once? If I am being totally honest, he is maybe the 5th best player on his offense, at best 4th (depending on where you rank Kittle) behind Trent Williams, CMC, Aiyuk, and Kittle.
OK, you’re entitled to your opinion about receivers in the draft being a better option. 73% of 1st round receivers don’t get a 2nd contract from their original organization over a 10 year period since 2014. Deebo in 2023 in an injury diminished season had 900 yds receiving and 7 TDs. He had just under 300 yds rushing with 5 TDs and more yds as KR. You don’t rank him as a top 10 all purpose player, that’s unfortunate. In a year where we lose our #1 receiver, Deebo would make us better than the Bills of the last 3 years. The only problem is fitting him under the cap. We’re dealing with a Josh window, we have to be bold. The receivers left on the board might be productive in their rookie year, but Deebo will be a beast and you know it.
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6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Wow, that is quite the over exaggeration there. He is a nice weapon, especially after the catch. But he is not a great deep ball WR, he doesn't have the best hands, and Brandon Aiyuk is by far the better actual WR on that team. Deebo makes up for what he lacks as a pure WR in his YAC and his versatility as a runner.
He also has injury issues. But the issue is that we have Samuel, Shakir, and Kincaid who are all going to attack from the slot and the short to medium areas of the field. That is Deebo's sweet spot, so I don't know he is such a great fit for us. We need a true boundary WR who can attack all 3 phases of the field more than another short area attack weapon.
With a generational talent it’s on the OC to model an offense that features Deebo as a compliment to our double TE attack with Curtis Samuel being a slot/ boundary threat. I’m not saying we couldn’t use an additional vertical option, but with Shakir, who will be a solid #2 and Cook, who is a matchup nightmare for LBs and safeties. Can you offer a better offensive attack in the NFL spearheaded by the best double threat QB in football?
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2 hours ago, 947 said:
We already signed Deebo-lite in Samuel, this makes no sense. Aiyuk is the 49ers WR we should be interested in.
Deebo’s the biggest game changing weapon in football. He makes us markedly more dangerous and is the perfect complement to our receiving corp and RBs. Question is how does Beane fit him under the cap?
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To me it’s a no brainer. You start out with #28 and no 3rd round pick. Your board shows the 3 guys projected to be available at receiver are still available. You get offers to trade down a few spots for a 3rd and a 5th and still can get a quality receiver ( Mitchell, McConkey or Franklin) plus enough draft capital to trade for Ayuk. What’s the problem with that reasoning?
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Sounds like a great idea. Bass should scare Bills fans. He seems insulated from any consequences of blowing our season with a chip shot miss against KC along with misses along the way. There are too many automatic kickers (Ravens, Bengals,Dolphins,) for us to live with a guy that has confidence issues.
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Alphadawg you’re one of my favorite posters but Shakir emerged end of last season. He was the best weapon in most of the final regular season games and definitely against KC in the divisional game. The guy catches everything and gets better at the end of games. The Bills don’t pull the trigger on the Diggs deal without confidence that Shakir, Samuel and Kincaid can carry load with 1st rounder being the vertical threat.
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3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
I mean, some of the responses Bills fans have made in response to Stef on social media do remind me of a saying we used to have about our family:
"You can dress them up, and you can take them out to dinner....but then you kind of want to leave them there." They weren't pretty, let's call it straight.
I heard what Joe Buscaglia had to say about how intelligent and self-aware Stefon Diggs was, and I'm sure when it comes to general intelligence and so forth Buscaglia is right. But I just can't see Diggs as very self-aware or having high "emotional intelligence" overall - more as someone who has charisma and can create a feeling of connection with someone else *when he wants to*, but it's not bone-deep genuine for most people.
An example of why I think that would be a tweet Diggs made at the end of the 2022 Blizzard, when it was known that there were over 40 deaths attributed to the blizzard. At that time, continued restricted travel and closed businesses meant many people weren't able to get out and get needed supplies for their children or get needed care for their elders; and hardships would continue due to lost wages from blizzard-induced closures. Diggs tweeted something about how he was having to cook for himself, "0 of 5 stars do not recommend". It was mildly humorous and probably intended to be entertaining, but in context it came across tone-deaf and self-absorbed. A handful of other small things like that.Good read, you should have a sports blog. Sometimes you find some talent on these forums.
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6 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
I watched Josh's presser.
He started out being asked about all the moves that had been made, and he talked about losing a lot of veteran leadership "Stef being one of them". I thought that set a good context of Stef being only one of the losses, not necessarily the most important or serious even.
He said he texted Stef "thanking him for everything he did for me and always have a spot in my heart for him and love that guy like a brother and wish him nothing but the best". Later in the press conference, Wawrow I think it was talked about fun vignettes with Stef and then Stef yelling at him and asked what would be Allen's lasting memory of Stef here in Buffalo? Josh obviously had a well-thought-out well-crafted reply: "my lasting memory of Stef will be the receiver who helped me become the QB that I am today, and I'll always thank him for that".
I thought that was a great "high road" to take, and I hope that puts a cork in it as far as the Buffalo media is concerned (fat chance, I guess)
I also wondered if Stef has been asked about Josh and what he's had to say about it? (But not enough to hunt down his interviews since the trade and listen). Rightly or wrongly, I have the impression that Stef is a guy who sees the speck in his brother's eye far more clearly than the log in his own. I think the same could be said by Stef of Josh, that Josh made him the receiver he is today as much as he made Josh the QB that he is today - and I wondered if Stef would see it that way.
You’ve got great investigative instincts. It’s incredible how much information is available without much effort. Josh always takes the high road and that defines his leadership skills. Diggs was instrumental in putting Josh and the Bills on the map. When his skills set diminished with wear and tear his contract and provocative outbursts made him expendable. We thank him for his efforts and wish him well. I wish his sentiments towards the fanbase were as magnanimous.
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1 hour ago, Beck Water said:
I hope so, for Shakir. In his rookie year, I thought he was struggling to release off the line and to run crisp routes with quick changes of direction. In contrast, I was blown away watching him last season - big improvement, and no reason to think he'll stop.
You may have been thinking of Diggs in last year's playoffs vs. Cincinnati, in which he was 4 of 10?
The take-home for me, would be that didn't strike either of us as an outlandish stat to attribute to Diggs in a playoff game.
I liked Diggs’s fire and he set the tone for physical dominance that was passed on to the Beasleys, Davis’s and McKenzies to an extent. Unfortunately after he was diminished in the game plan he sulked even in wins. He wasn’t worth the enormous contract. His attitude which he shares with his brother is not good when the team faces challenges.
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25 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
Facts: Shakir had 7 of 9 for 78% catch rate that game. Diggs was 3 of 8 (38%) with a fumble after the catch that wasn't a turnover only because Kincaid alertly batted it OOB for a 10 yd penalty.
Why wouldn't Josh trust Shakir in the EZ if he saw him open over Diggs?
Thank you, I was incorrect in the amount of Diggs targets but he was short arming catch attempts and Snead was being more physical and smothering Diggs. Shakir was catching everything that night That catch at the goal line for a TD was just a taste of what he will be with more responsibility.
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21 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
Projection perhaps?
I'm not sure why I'd watch well over 500 Bills games if I hated them so much. To want your team to improve is the ultimate sign of fandom.
The Bills would have easily gone to OT if Allen was smart enough not to go for broke on a touchdown pass that even if he connected would have left KC with plenty of time to march down the field and win in regulation. Tactically, it was a terrible decision. The right play was the underneath throw to Diggs that would have picked up the first down and would have given us the chance to run out the clock with a walk off td.Why do we need to compare him to other players? What good does that do? I'm just judging him against himself.
I want him to get smarter, develop better judgement, and develop better and more consistent touch on the ball so that in critical situations we have the best chance to win.Why was the decision terrible? Diggs was crappy all night with 3 receptions on 12 targets for 21 yds. Diggs was tentative and wasn’t aggressive on contested balls. Josh had an open receiver in the end zone when he got jostled stepping into the throw. Only a Josh/Bills hating 2nd guessing Monday morning QB wouldn’t acknowledge these facts. By the way, any Buffalo resident who only watches local channels can see 500 games and still hate the local team. Troll on.
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29 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
Josh hasn't meaningfully improved in the last 4 years. You think he's all of a sudden going to start getting better now?
This is just a load of nonsense. We're hating Diggs now because he doesn't engage with the media? lol. ok.
The mindless comments about Josh not getting better is predictable coming from a Bills hater like yourself. Would you be satisfied with 44 total TDs from the QB on the team you root for. How about 6 straight wins to pull out the division, while Hurts, Prescott, Tua, Herbert and Burrow were imploding or out for the season. Josh has the most total TD the last two seasons. He doesn’t miss games and he wins divisions. Any troll would acknowledge his greatness. If he’s top 2 or 3 QB in the NFL that’s enough for Bills fans. The loss to the Chiefs was on Diggs,, our banged up defense , our suddenly unreliable kicker, not Josh. Bills should have at least gone into OT.
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9 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:
contrarian for the Dorsey period. Or devils advocate
Josh looked checked out. Most all noted it
sat by himself
never rallied the troops etc
he was having a bummer
we saw it
did some forget ?
Thanks gosh for Brady getting to Josh
Next year should be muchas differentios better (lol made that word up
Rallied the troops? The troops were flat as pancakes from the start. They were pushed around by a team that came to play. Josh was crushed by the idea of losing at the end of the game. He is the heart and soul of the team. Diggs is a me first jerk who loves to blame others. His talent has diminished and now the Bills and the fanbase is the problem. Don’t let the door hit you in the Fanny.
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30 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
I LOVE that diggs got in Josh's face. Someone had to. He was the only guy on this team that wanted to win and seemed to actually put the work in. Josh is far more concerned with chasing Hollywood tail and golfing.
I love how hard Josh plays, but he just doesn't put the mental work in and it's the reason he doesn't have a ring yet, and perhaps never will.
They've never had less accountability or more excuses to fall short than they will in 2024, and that's what I fully expect to happen. "A lot of new faces" "It took us a while to gel" "We ran out of steam" "emotionally exhausted" etc. Is a loser culture in that locker room full of soft personalities and a weak coach. Diggs didn't fit that and that's not a him problem, it's a Bills problem. Looking forward to Dawkins showing up out of shape as per usual too.Just a Bills hater living in Bills country. You love that Diggs got in Josh’s face after that Bengals game? Josh never criticized Diggs for being a ***** on social media and a public malcontent team destroyer.Josh never points fingers and takes responsibility for losses. His teammates love him and play hard for him. Don’t be silly enough to question Josh’s motivation or work ethic .This team was a national joke for 30 years before Beane, Sean and Josh. Don’t delude yourself into believing that Josh won’t make any receiving group better. He made Diggs a star until his skills diminished and became a hopeless malcontent. Any other team not called the Chiefs, wins their division four years straight and are playoff locks every year. Don’t worry, they’ll break through soon enough because
Josh is only getting better. Don’t worry about what he does in his personal life. When the bell rings, other than Mahomes, any knowledgeable football fan would take over any other QB.
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5 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:
I explicitly called this out, so yea. I don't even agree that he fell off at all, he simply wasn't a big part of Brady's scheme for whatever reason. Players don't go from elite to washed mid-season without injury. People are blaming Diggs for a gameplan outside of his control. Of course, there's no excusing his drop in the KC game. That said, If Allen targets him instead of Shakir at the end of the game, we win.
The reason they changed OCs was because they stunk and couldn’t score in the first half of several games and Dorsey was afraid to go away from Diggs who demanded the ball. even though tried to take him away with extra coverage. They were falling out of the playoff picture.They made the offense multidimensional and Diggs never got near 100 yds receiving in the last 9 games. He had more drops in big games than in 3 seasons combined. What is this unfounded defense of this me first, Buffalo hating diva about?. Do you remember him getting in Josh’s face when the whole team collapsed against the Bengals and we had to justify that crap by explaining how ultra competitive he is.Watch him cancerize the Texans now. That’s why they paid him more next season to eliminate the final years of his deal. He’s in the rear view now, no more defending this waste of time.
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Rd 5, Pick 168: Edge Javon Solomon, Troy
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Why would you presume to know how any of these receivers after the top 3 will pan out. 3 out of 4 drafted in the 1st round never get a 2nd contract the last 10 years. At this rate? What would you have done draft expert picking 28 with no 3rd round pick? I think successful drafts have more to do with coaching and creating an offense that maximizes the talent on the roster. Coleman was the best receiver on an undefeated team scoring 11TDs and catching 50 balls in 12 games for 700 yds. 3 of those games he had a 3rd string QB who stunk.