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I know, it’s weird. Our franchise guy isn’t good but we need to be afraid of these back ups. 😜

Hey Corta! Thanks for bringing this topic up and breaking it down. I really do feel that the Bills have a shot at getting the number one seed even with the Pittsburgh loss. One of the main reasons for that is because KC does have such a tougher schedule this year along with playing their division. The Chargers played them really well last year and I believe they lost to the Raiders last year who are sticking around this year as well. Let’s hope that somehow buffalo can get to 13-4 and that they can avenge the week one loss to Pittsburgh so that it doesn’t come back to bite them in the end. Go Bills!

Bro, that’s a great point. Like you said, you don’t have as great of a season as he had and then forget how to play QB.

For clarity, JK is my favorite player of all time. I wasn’t roasting him. I was sharing that even him, one of the best we’ve ever had, had slumps just like JA is facing now.

I loved your thought about the hyperbolic. That’s why I was trying to bring a little bit of historical context to slumps. Yes, he’s definitely earned a lot of rope. While I wouldn’t like it and hope it doesn’t happen, not even a down year (just like many greats have had) would change my view of JA.

Bro, we have something in common besides our love for all things Bills and JK. We both loathe the Steelers. They’re my worst team!

I already admitted that JA was going through a slump. Maybe bandwagon wasn’t the best choice of words. Maybe changing their viewpoint on a player is a better way to say it (I’m going to change it in my original post). I’m not talking about critique per se, I’m talking about people saying he’s not the franchise player we thought or one more bad game out of him or 2020 was a fluke or 2019 is who he really is or… just because of a slump. Even “2020” Josh had a slump that lasted around a month. He’s a great player, a franchise QB and most likely a generational talent that’s going through a slump. That’s it. Like @NoHuddleKelly12 said, it’s not linear. I want a SB win too but I’m not going to change my view (not saying you have) of JA just because of a slump or even a down year (if it continues). Hope that makes sense. Thanks for sharing.

I don’t get why some are so quick to change their view of a player when a player goes through a slump. Yes, JA is in a slump. That said, it doesn’t mean he’s not a franchise QB or that 2020 (or even 2019) was a fluke. Many greats go through slumps, it’s how they deal with them that count. Brady started 2-2 one year and won the Super Bowl. He lost his first game last year, then had an uneven first half of the season and then won the Super Bowl. Mahomes isn’t in a slump but had an overthrow to a receiver in the end zone and a VERY bad looking interception that a rookie may not even throw that cost them in a one point loss to the Ravens the other night. I get that some will say that Mahomes and Brady have earned the right to have these kind of slumps so let’s look at one of the best, if not the best QBs, the Bills have ever had in Jim Kelly (by the way, he’s my favorite player of all time) Here’s a few examples of either a game that he didn’t play well in or even a longer period where he wasn’t the greatest. Let’s start with 1988. The Bills went to the AFC championship game that year but lost to the Bucs 10 to 5 in December. The Bucs were the worst franchise in NFL history before they got Dungy and Gruden. And yes, you read that right, it was a baseball score (10 to 5). Here’s an article that talks about that game: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1988-12-05-8803100862-story,amp.html If my memory serves me correctly, I believe there was a game where JK had 29 yards passing in the first half of a game. TWENTY NINE yards! During JKs SB years, three of those years he was in the low to mid 60s when it comes to completion percentage. That said, one of his Super Bowl years his completion percentage was below 60% (58%). This same year he had 23 TDs to 19 INTs. The whole year was a “down” year relative to a couple other SB years. Let’s break down 1993 which was a SB year as well as a year where his completion percentage was above 60%. In his first four games, he did not have a game that was over a 60% completion rate. One game his completion rate was 51%. Then, the next 10 out of 11 games he had a completion rate that was higher than 60% in each game. Oh, the one game that he wasn’t above 60%? He was 7 for 19 for 93 yards in a brutal shut out loss against Pittsburgh. I realize that the league is different. I realize that completion percentages are higher nowadays. I realize that JK isn’t the greatest QB to ever play the game. That said, he is a Hall of Fame QB that went to four straight Super Bowls. The point is that JK and other QBs that are greater than him all go through slumps. It doesn’t mean they’re not franchise QBs, that other years were flukes or that they can’t be better later in the season when they play “said” team that is way better than the team they just struggled against. Go JA! Go Bills!!

Are you sure you weren’t thinking about it A LOT at work? 😜🤣

The same thing happened at halftime of the Miami game. He only had 62 yards passing and instead of them talking about his struggles they talked about the awesome pass play he had to diggs for the TD. I believe most still believe in him. While he is a little off, he’ll figure it out, he’s a great QB. Most importantly, he’s our QB and you stick with him through the highs and lows. Even Kelly, who was a proven commodity because he went to four Super Bowls, had slumps. I remember one time where they lost to the Buccaneers 10-5. The Buccaneers back then were a horrible franchise and were never really that good until Gruden took over. Then again, there were people back then clamoring for Kelly to be benched for Reich to start instead 🤦🤷🏼. Expecting greatness or even consistency every single game and every single quarter is just not realistic. Even the greats go through stretches, sometimes even long stretches, of slumps.

Good thing you’re not McBeane when JA had a similar struggle last year that lasted three to four games instead of two.

Hey Virg! Hope you’re well. Do you think this based off of his play or is it just a gut feeling?

Good thoughts! It’d be interesting to see if just counting starters moved the needle at all.

That’d be fun to watch. It’d be cool if Josh does that tomorrow against the Dolphins. Go Bills!

Yup. Even that’s pretty crazy!

Thanks for sharing, BillsShredder! I think this is an excellent thought considering what the 2022 draft could look like.

I think it's a great mix too. It's always nice to have veteran leadership for the younger guys. It was still surprising though (at least for me) since the faces of our franchise are on the younger side.

Hey SoCal! Since I live in San Diego, I know the weather is great in SoCal today. What has you so down? 😜😂

Hey Hap! He does host with former Miami Dolphin OT Richmond Webb (according to his tweeter feed), but if you feel my post needs to be deleted, I understand. Thanks!

Shew! What a nail biter! At least we won. Go, go Buffalo!!!

Not if it's Buffalo Bills related, Yolo. Remember, You Only Live Once!

Unless he really drops off, I hope they keep Hughes for a year or two longer.

Thanks for your thoughts, Logic. Yup, I totally agree that the Bills feel like a young team. That's why it was surprising when they came in as ninth oldest. When I first posted it, my thought was that the defense must be eeking that age up. And to your point in the post, it seems like that may be most of the case.

That's great, Draconator. Thanks for sharing!

Buffalo South, baby!!!