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1 minute ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:
I said Crappy teamsnot all teams.
honestly at this point?
Mac N Cheesy has A LOT to prove.
you don’t get handed a RING because some blowhards say he looks good
Huh? do you honestly follow what you say..do you even understand what you say...you said the only thing you talked about was Mac Jones..i pulled up something you talked about and was negative about other than Mac Jones...and you post this? Like are you ok?
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1 minute ago, Greg S said:
They are a good team that is well coached. Our defense is also legit. Allen makes our offensive more explosive then the Pats. When the Bills D "Mike White's" Game Manager Jones and the stadium is rocking on MNF then we will see just how good the rookie QB is. Can he throw the ball downfield against our secondary. I like the Bills chances.
You realized he played the number 2 ranked defense(i may have their ranking a little high) in the Browns right. You are hyping White up like he(Jones) didn't just face Myles Garrett and Jadeveon Clowney
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6 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:
Don’t Assumeshow me where I said anything other than Mac N Cheese is being over hyped
The Bills will shut this kid down and crush the wet dreams of Cheatriot fans
oh my buddy is back....ok see the underlined.
2 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:
😆Don’t make me go and list the Defensive rankings of all these crappy teams they played.
even the few hovering at .500
^^^ seems here you are saying something other than talking about Mac Jones..
and honestly at this point when you post..your replies sound like a script from WWE when the heel is talking to the crowd.
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3 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:
What does that have to do with strength of schedule between the two teams? And seeing who you played, given your roster you should be on top if not then there should of been a thread about the Bills being all hype.
ha ha you like wanna crap on the pats for not playing anyone, but celebrate the bills who have also not really played anybody..ha ha. Man your posts be making me laugh.
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Bills opp. to date:
Steelers (L), Fins twice, Jets, Texans, Jags(L), titans (L), Football team & the Chiefs (W)....emm seems like Bills weren't playing a bunch of world beaters and defensive juggernauts either.
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3 minutes ago, Greg S said:
Facing their biggest rival, division at stake, in primetime in OP. I am 100% confident the Bills will not come out with the same effort they had against the Jags.
They shouldn't, they truly shouldn't but you know....that's why they play the games...because you never know. Plus it may not have been effort and more about scheming and that's why they lost they way they did to the jags...but i didn't see the game so you would know better than me. And i am sure McD will not have them "sleeping at the wheel" when they play the Pats twice....like you are saying.
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9 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:
All right, so it's settled now! Pats are Super Bowl favorites the media, the Pats trolls and the psuedo-Bills fans have been telling us they are. We are merely underdogs who can only hope to compete with them.
Seriously though McD/Frazier, crowd the line of scrimmage and pressure the statue they have at QB and slow the run down. He looks way too comfortable with his little checkdowns and short passes. Make him complete alot of 3rd and 8s.
The focus is too much on Mac Jones...the real issue is the patriots defense. What exactly will the bills do against BB defense. If the Bills come with the same effort they come against the Jags, then how exactly do you think the game will turn out?
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3 hours ago, Ghost_002! said:
here's a hint....i am not bother by this thread, I am not bothered being here, I am not bothered by the likes of you or anyone else. You seem more bothered than i do..so I will carry on as a poster here.
And you seem like you have it together talking about the silly thread going way, but post in the thread to keep it going....
2 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:
please. Just stopITS A F-ING BILLS BOARD
you don’t like it ignore it or head back to the Cheatriots forms
ha ha just wow!
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1 minute ago, Success said:
Fair enough, and if I overreacted, all apologies. We really only have 2 Pats fans who post here (that I'm aware of), and I appreciate the contributions generally. Sometimes I see what I'd call humble bragging, but it's actually kind of challenging to be objective when it comes to anything Patriots or Patriots-fan related these days. 20 years is a long time, and most Pats fans that I encounter in real life become like cartoon characters when the conversation moves into anything sports-related.
I have no real reason to doubt what you're saying. In general, I'm tired of the Patriots, I'm tired of BB, and I'm already tired of the Jones hype. It colors my POV.
Have nothing but the ultimate respect for you! *cheers*
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2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:
here’s a hint.
stop posting in this silly thread and it will go away
Connect the dots!!
here's a hint....i am not bother by this thread, I am not bothered being here, I am not bothered by the likes of you or anyone else. You seem more bothered than i do..so I will carry on as a poster here.
And you seem like you have it together talking about the silly thread going way, but post in the thread to keep it going....
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10 minutes ago, Success said:
Of course that bothers me - if it happens.
I don't get why Pats fans come here trying to convince Buffalo fans that they're back & Mac is just going to keep it all going. Is it possible to still be insecure after the success their team has had?
I post on other team's board, but I'm mindful of basic etiquette. I can be all homer here, and overhyping Bills players - but I just wouldn't do it on a rival's board, or really any other board.
???? i am just gonna speak for myself....where have you seen me screaming "oh the pats are back!, we are coming for the division..rah rah...we have Mac Jones...etc"???? You will never find that because i do not do that here. I have gone out of my way to praise the bills, their players and praise majority of this fan base....i have never brought up the pats success to rub it in anyone's face. If i have brought up their success. It was to make a point during a topical conversation/debate/thread/post. And again, it's YOUR fellow bills posters who make these threads up that you guys come into and anyone else can come into and talk about.
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1 minute ago, Success said:
Who is "doubting" Mac Jones? According to Pats fans, he is already as good as Brady and in the HOF with another 6 Lombardi's. According to ESPN & the rest, the AFC East had one non-Patriots year, and now it's over.
Mac Jones is the most hyped QB I've seen in decades.
^^^^ Again i will ask...so there is not a section of buffalo fans that over hype their players...? ESPN doesn't hype other players and teams in other sports...or you just really really bothered because it's your division rival that has been so successful for 20 plus year and just when you thought it was all over...they maybe coming back after a very short time at the bottom.
3 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:Yeah that's happened quite a bit with Josh Allen. He was doubted by many and crazy thing is, some still do
I think Allen has proven his self as an elite QB. Now he has to prove he can when a AFC championship....and SB. But Josh Allen is that dude the way i see it.
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5 minutes ago, Success said:
I mean, I love his game - but who cares what Mathieu says about Mac Jones?
You don't have to care, nobody has to care..but i am sure, had we been talking about another bills player that people outside of buffalo doubted and another player happen to be praising him. I am sure his comments would show up in the topic...i mean it's a natural debate and discussion. Talking points, using visuals and other references to make your point. *shrug shoulders*
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8 hours ago, Jauronimo said:
Just take a moment and appreciate that hes on our board to spread the gospel of Mac Jones because the regulars on the Pats board are too dumb for intelligent discussion. Let that sink in.
I know right..i mean after all it was a bills fan that made this Mac Jones thread to begin with that you keep coming into as well. I mean what am i thinking talking about a topic that someone else created for people to talk about...wow what a concept. Wait maybe i shouldn't use too much sarcasm. That may show signs of a disability issue. So i was told.
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10 hours ago, TBBills said:
No they still have the old mentality of the Patriots being a world beater. You use a lot of sarcasm as if it's a disability for you.
So how does Tyrann Mathieu have that old mentality? I never knew using "sarcasm" means you may have a disability. Seems you know a lot about this, do you wanna talk about it?
8 hours ago, Success said:Goalpost move. You were comparing the accomplishments of Brady and Rogers based on what kind of QB each is.
"If KC didn't have a defense he would not have won a ring?" I don't even know what that means. What SB-winning QB would that not be applied to?
The thought was mobile/athletic QBs are the future. A pocket passer is a thing of the past and will not be as affective. I beg to differ if you put a team around them. No team is winning if they are relying solely on their QB, cause he can throw and running, etc- Pigging backing off the tweet Tyrann Mathieu put out.
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5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
"Paper Tigers". "Paper Champions" isn't a thing, though I suppose it could be.
What exactly are we supposed to be "proving you wrong" about? Every Championship team needs a good defense, usually a top-10 defense on points that peaks at the end of the season.
The years the Pats won the Superbowls their D was 7th, 1st, 8th, 2nd, 1st, 6th
A QB also needs a sound OL too. For years, the Pat's secret weapon was "Coach Scar", long-time OL coach Dante Scarnecchia who had the ability to mold cutout bin scraps and JAGs into a solid OL anchored by a long-time center and LT
First off, yes "Paper Tigers" but you seem like you really want to point out my mistake, so i will be sure to punish myself for the mental error. I am sorry sir, please forgive me?
2nd..i was not addressing you or this whole board. I replied to one poster when i made the "prove me wrong statement" so I am not quite sure why you think you were addressed in that. And to the rest....you are making my point i was trying to make in general about what Jones is limited to compared to other QBs will not be a problem if he truly is a solid QB.. If he truly is a solid QB, as long as they build a good team around him, he can win, he can also win them some games. He doesn't need to have a big arm or be able to run like hell out the pocket. Especially with the way NE runs their system.
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3 hours ago, Success said:
Um....coaching? Better team construction & organization?
The bolded is hilarious. He's 26...and he only has 2 SB appearances and 1 ring? Golly.
Oh so you are acknowledging there is much more than just having a mobile/athletic QB to win......Thank you. please come back and try to prove me wrong, you do sooo well at it, time and time again. And yea..as great as he is and as much as he has accomplished. If KC didn't have a defense he would not have won a ring. KC needed more than just him in the SB last season. Seeing he doesn't have a defense now again, and he was very lucky when they played the packers Rodgers was not there. Because he, the whole team have been playing very suspect so far. I mean this board had a thread doubt KC being "paper champions" sooo.
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9 hours ago, Logic said:
As to your first two paragraphs: you're still talking about the past. I'm talking about the present. Brady is literally the ONLY example of an immobile, throwback pocket passer playing at a consistently elite level in the NFL RIGHT NOW. Every other guy you can name in the top 10 of quarterback play year to year has mobility, athleticism, etc. Further, when I talk about mobility in QBs, it doesn't mean QBs that run for 500 yards a year. I'm talking about pocket mobility, escaping pressure, rolling out to the left and right, making off-platform throws, and also the athleticism and improvisatory ability to make off-structure plays.
With regard to the question of whether or not a given quarterback can elevate their team when things aren't going well: Simply look at the Browns' situation with Baker Mayfield right now. When the defense and running game are humming, they win games. When either of those things aren't functioning well, Mayfield has not proven over the past couple of seasons that he can routinely lift the team up, carry them on his back, and win football games. Put another way, he's not much more than a game manager who NEEDS a great supporting roster in order to succeed. BECAUSE he hasn't shown the ability to transcend that and to produce at a high level in the passing game, the Browns aren't sure whether or not they want to spend big money on him.
I do not doubt that Jones can be a good care-taker of the football and can win games when paired with a defense and running game. I'm questioning whether or not he'll be able to elevate his team when those two things aren't going well.
The QBs i named still play right? Unless i misunderstood you. You made mentioned to Jones not being mobile enough to succeed like his counterparts. Are his counterparts collecting hardware left and right? I have acknowledged that the league has evolved, i myself wanted Fields over Jones for that very reason, but to sit here and claim he Jones is not gonna be able to win a playoff game, put a team on his back or win a championship because he doesn't have the capabilities of his counterparts is ridiculous. Because 1. he is only a rookie, you don't have a clue what he is going to do or be capable of, and there is much more to the game then having a athletic QB. That's exactly where i'm coming from.
You also mentioned being able to slide in the pocket, roll out, etc... Have you watched a Mac Jones game? He exactly does that...he has slide up, slide back in the pocket. They have had design rollouts for him, and he has escaped the pockets to get a few gains and slide down....so he can do enough to avoid the sack (without being mobile), which the term "pocket presence" is a trait a QB needs to have in order to be able to succeed in this league.
8 hours ago, TBBills said:Yea b.c I am going to listen to a guy on the worst defense in league history.
Many guys can play QB but they are never going to be great at it. Fitz can play QB but you wouldn't want him starting for your team... Yet coaches still tried to do it and players say the same about him that The washed up Honey Badger is saying.
You are defending him like he is on your team and you bought his jersey.
yea why would you listen to an actual NFL pro baller who is playing in the league right now....(sarcasm)
8 hours ago, TBBills said:Oh ok that makes all the sense now. Homerism I understand, that cannot be helped. We all have that.
Yea, so i guess all the bills fans who have said something positive about Jones must be a patriots fan to..ha ha....you are making so much sense. i swear (Sarcasm)
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15 minutes ago, Logic said:
Right, but the game has changed.
Look at the best quarterbacks in the league right now other than Brady: Mahomes, Allen, Murray, Jackson, Herbert, Prescott, Rodgers, Wilson, Watson, even up-and-coming guys like Joe Burrow and Jalen Hurts...ALL of them are mobile and can play off-structure and improvise and have exemplary athleticism. Brady is arguably the ONLY successful quarterback in the league who is an immobile, throwback pocket passer. Obviously, his elite football mind and 20 years of experience allow him to continue to be All-World. I'm just saying that offensive football AS IT'S PLAYED NOW, in 2021, seems to favor mobility and the ability to play off-structure. I don't think that's even in question.
If Mac Jones becomes one of the league's best quarterbacks over the course of his career, he'll be bucking a trend and will be the exception rather than the rule. I'm not saying he can't or won't do it. But the question posed in this thread was "are you concerned about Mac Jones?", and the answer for me is still "no" for the reasons I've laid out.
Right, the QB position has evolved. But out of all those QBs you named, how many SBs have they won, how many have they even gone to..excluding Brady? I can name them. collectively taken Brady out the mix. 3. Mahomes has one, Rodgers one, and Wilson one. that's it.
in fact-look at Mahomes with that ability he has...and he only won 1 SB and got his a** kicked last SB. And might not go back to another one this year. This game is so much more than just the players ability. Reason why BB is so successful.
and of top of it..it's still not a good idea to have your QB running. As their positions has evolved, so has the defensive players. They are bigger and faster. QBs still getting trucked by these guys can still end a career.
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25 minutes ago, Logic said:
Right. I understand that and I agree.
The point I'm trying to make is that I don't see any particular special traits that he has that are going to enable him to go toe-to-toe with the Josh Allens and Patrick Mahomes of the world when the time comes. These days, the best offenses are quarterbacked by guys that are mobile, can play off-structure, can improvise, can make a defender miss and find answers when plays break down. I'm not sure Jones will ever be that guy. I'm not saying he definitely won't, I'm just saying I don't see the evidence that he's more than a throwback pocket passer with an average arm.
In the NFL, to be a very good quarterback for a very long time, you have to have some kind of special traits that elevate your game. I'm simply saying that at this point, I'm not sure what those are -- if they exist at all -- for Jones. He's winning right now by being smart and taking care of the football on a team coached by the GOAT and paired with an elite defense and great running game. But if and when the time comes to put the team on his back? I don't know, man...
As I said, I could be totally wrong. Maye he's Drew Brees. Maybe he's Joe Montana. Maybe I'm an idiot. Who knows?He is not a gun slinger and was not adveristied as such. He doesn't have to be. For the QB position, it's important to have the mind over just having the ability. Yes being mobile makes a difference but that definitely doesn't matter if you game plan and scheme to counter what the defense gives you.
Look at Brady and look at Rodgers. Rodgers has way more ability than Brady, but Brady is the more successful one out of the two.
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24 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:
No, they started 2-4 and then went on a little winning streak the next 4 games or whatever. That’s what they are. The media loves them some Patriots and can’t get enough, even though Brady is long gone.
You know this doesn't make sense right, no what they are is 6-4. there is no such thing as a "little winning streak" in NFL football when you only play games once a week. And i wouldn't start discrediting their wins because as it's been said in here already by fellow bills posters. The bills schedule has been pretty easy to date as well. In fact i heard on sport radio yesterday that to date the bills schedule has been a little easier than the patriots..
Teams have won superbowls on "little winning streaks" Look at the 07 Giants, and the Bucs from last year...they went on "little winning streaks and won the whole thing....not comparing them to those teams..just making my point about "winning streaks"
22 minutes ago, Logic said:I'm still not concerned about Mac Jones.
I'm never too concerned about any quarterback until they've done it for 2-3 seasons without showing regression.
There are lots of instances of QBs lighting it up (or at least showing great promise) in year one, only to be thwarted in years two and three after defenses have some tape study in the offseason. As @Rigotzmentioned, Baker Mayfield is a great example. He was so good and so exciting in year one that they cast him in every single TV commercial that will ever be shown. But since year one? Not so great.
Furthermore, I don't see many special traits in Jones' game. He's quite accurate, I suppose, and seems to have a great mind for the game. He has yet to show, however, that he can elevate his team. That he can put them on his back and carry them to victory. He has the supporting system of a HOF coach, elite defense, and great running game. But when the going gets tough, is he going to be a guy whose skill and determination are great enough to power his team to victory by excellent individual effort? I'm not so sure. If it comes down to a shootout between Allen and Jones, or Mahomes and Jones....who are you putting your money on?
I could be way off base. I'm saying he seems like the next Baker Mayfield or Kirk Cousins, but maybe he's the next Drew Brees. It's certainly too early to tell. But "worried" about him? No, I am not.He is a rookie, he is not asked to do this as of yet. This is year one. They are purposely bring him along slowly. They would have this same approach if it was Trevor Lawrence. It has nothing to do with ability, it has more to do with putting their QB in the best situation and accuracy and a great mind for the game are great traits to haveI? You need that more then your ability to sling the football or else you are Jamies Winston.
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8 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:
Has he played a good Zone defense yet?
Cleveland played zone last week. How many times they did i do not know, but they played it. And he was able to find the soft spot in that zone and completed the pass to his wide outs (check his 3rd down conversions last week especially). Plus, his coach has been coaching since the 70s..i am sure he has coached him up to approach certain defenses a certain way. (that is not to say he wouldn't struggle against a solid defense)
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6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:
No, not concerned. McDaniels is a very good O coordinator for sure. More concerned about him than Mac. As for the chances of Mac being something akin to another Brady, they’re somewhere around 0.00001%. As much as I dislike him ( though less now that he’s in Tampa), he’s just a one of a kind player that’s probably the best there’s been in the league. That’s not happening anytime soon, and not with the same team in 2 short years. If you look at Brady’s career, projecting anything close to that on Jones because he has the same Eagle wing on his helmet is nothing short of ridiculous. Now, can we stop with these over the top Patriots threads? They’re a 2-4 team that put a little win streak together, nothing more.
ahhh you seem to be missing a couple games off that record there....
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8 minutes ago, TBBills said:
Yea and looked very average in each of them. Browns we're not on top of their game last week.
I understand you are scared b.c you have been programmed to be scared of the Patriots. No different then everyone being scared of the Dolphins every year.
He is not being asked to do too much, that approach has pretty much been recognized. And Brown's "not being on top of their game.." doesn't discredit his experience against them....he been facing heavy pass rushes.
4 minutes ago, TBBills said:Good thing is Mac Jones is pulling a Fitzpatrick where he is making gullible people think he is good. When that is probably the best he will be ever.
yea he sure has Tyrann Mathieu fooled (sarcasm)
The most hyped 6-4 team ever
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