Ghost_002!

ha ha just like clockwork. You're being obtuse, just to be obtuse. Matt Cassell spent the whole 08 season under center for the patriots. all but 1 game and that was the first game. That is a large enough simple for anyone who wants to be logical to see if the OC can do his job with another QB. Again, I'll remind you. Cassell was a 7th round QB who was a backup up until that point. Went on to have some success in KC.

Matt Cassell. 08 season. Top 10 offense. And I already know, "big deal they had the same offense from 07 which was historical. My rebuttal to that is. It takes more to "plug and play" at QB even with great players around them in the NFL. The Dolphins aren't the same offense without Tua in there. And you arent fooling anyone...I mention all those QBs WAY BEFORE the mentioning of Alex Van Pelt. ha ha ha ha Alex Van Pelt and Sam Bradford, the NFLs best kept secrets..

I gave you two and then added Jimmy G a few posts ago...all my posts are right there. Even if I take Jimmy G away. I still gave you 2 that were after Tom Brady showing his ability and who produced 10 top offenses, so the argument stops there because I answered the question and all you can give me in return is Sam Bradford. It's clear no matter the valid points I make you are going to nitpick at them in any way you can find. And we aren't debating him as a head coach. Which all can agree, he sucks at.

Yes..those are facts able Alex Van Pelt, he not better than Josh McDaniels and not consider so in anyway. Also, definitely not what you were arguing about at all. Do you wanna go back to harping on Sam Bradford, that great HOF QB that Josh McDaniels screwed up?

No I got what you were saying. You have a valid point that a lot of NEP fans echo, are echoing. I was trying to say I think Maye is good enough he will be able to adjust. I do not think Alex Van Pelt was a good OC but Maye did ok in that system.

You gave me Sam Bradford and I have given you 3 other QBs he has success with? 3 is more than 1. Your math and mathing to me? I do not have to convince you of anything. You are in a minority. Enough data shows that.

Maye has been very promising under the patriots horrible coaching staff and a horrible Oline this year. He has shown he can do things a lot of QBs can't do. Make big plays with his feet and still throw an accurate deep ball on the run, and who was his OC this past season? Alex Van Pelt. Who has him on their list of OCs? I don't know if McDaniels and Maye will produce any titles, but they should end up being fine together. The patriots could have done a lot worse than pairing Maye up with Josh McDaniels.

Retreads are everywhere in the NFL, on top of the fact he is not that old, and he has dealt with young QBs his whole career. 2021 not too far long ago, and Belichick has never been a "mastermind" to any offense where he is the head coach. Similar to Sean McDermott. he is the head coach but is no mastermind to how the Bills play their offense. Of course they have input, but they are not the "masterminds" hence why they have coordinators for that. and I have repeatedly corrected myself on the Cam Newton top offense thing. Way before you originally posted about it. This will now be my 3rd or 4th time mentioning that. And in case you are not keeping count. He's had 2 top 10 offenses under 2 different QBs not named brady. Got Mac Jones to a pro bowl selection and playoff birth top 10 offense Matt Cassell who went on to sign a big contract with chiefs-which he was selected to a pro bowl and won a playoff game. Mind you Cassell was a 7th round pick. coached up Jimmy G, who also went on to sign a big contract with the 49ers and played in a SB and if it wasn't for all the injuries probably might still be the QB in San Fran. He is the definition of a solid OC in the NFL who can handle today's QB,

Since when is there a statute of limitation on a coaches resume? Especially with one as young as Josh Mcdaniels? But as you mention 08 Matt Cassell, I give you '21 Mac Jones rookie season.

ha ha..... Jimmy Garoppolo is another young QB Josh McDaniels worked with. Before his injuries, Jimmy G was developing into a solid QB. Got himself a nice contract with the 49ers because of his play at QB in New England.

Says who? He is considered around the NFL as good coordinator. What ...because a few fans say different? He has worked with other QBs other than Brady and had a top 10 offense with those QBs (already named the QBs) I mean he had a top 10 offense with Mac Jones. That says a lot. Keep bring up Sam Bradford, I must have missed Bradford's incredible QB rating and seasons after McDaniels left. He, McDaniels has adjusted the Patriots offense multiple times to adhere to the talent the Pats had through the years. He changed the offense to go vertical w Moss, he developed an offense for include 2 TEs after Moss, and he put an offense together with a running QB in Cam Newton. He's good enough and qualified enough....head coach, no. OC yes.

For those keep questioning me about Cam Newton. You will see my next post stating that I was wrong/incorrect about Cam Newton. 2nd. You guys remember Mac Jones his first year under Josh McDaniels? A. Top 10 offense B. Mac Jones ended up being a pro bowl alternate 3. 08 pats offense was legit. You still need a QB to run your offense. I am very sure every AFC east rival thought that year Brady went down they were done. Nobody thought anything of Matt Cassell look how he ended up playing....got himself a nice contract from the chief's after playing for the pats.

You're stating facts, guess what, so am I. And because someone has counterpoints to your argument means they are running a Vrabel burner account? I guess the rest of the NFL must be running a burner account for Vrabel. Ps: Let me leave this here for you too.

My original post. He has had a top 10 offense with QBs Matt Cassell Mac Jones Cam Newton(I'm wrong about Cam Newton) And you have named 1 coordinator that wasn't good I have given you 2 that were good as coordinators but not as head coaches. I can give you another one. Jim Schwartz; Not the greatest head coach but is a great DC

But McDaniels is not an awful OC.