CosmicBills

They were both in on it for sure, but I'm not sure who got there first. But Poz did make a couple of nice plays on that goal line stand.

He's going to be a good player for a long time I think. How good? Not sure. But certainly a big upgrade at TE, something that's been needed for a long, long, time.

Yeah, Nelson! Good grab.

Hahahaha! Great block by Fitz!

I do like the stand by the D there. It's great to see that there's still a heartbeat.

Great play by Schobel.

Wow.

Jamaal Charles, a small guy, just RAN OVER Poz. Despite Poz making the fill, he got plowed.

No you didn't. Trust me.

Fitz is painful.

False. In every sense of the word.

I don't care where we draft the franchise QB, so long as we get him. Trying to slot the QBs is difficult before the combine and pro days because that's when scouts will really get a look at some of the raw data on these guys. But I think you're right in that there will be 4, maybe 5, QBs getting first round grades depending on how many of the Juniors come out. If the Bills have a high pick, which it looks like they will, then I'm all for taking the best rated overall player, regardless of position, at either OT, QB, LB or DL. If it's not a QB, there's a good chance they can get a good one in Round 2. If the QB class is as deep as some are predicting, then maybe even in Round 3. Either way, my order of importance as far as position would go in exactly that order. QB sadly is but one of 4 positions in dire need of play makers.

Hopefully this will stop the Tebow love fest some people here are having. He's not an NFL QB. It's plain and simple. If he is drafted by the Bills I'll hold my tongue and root with all my heart to be wrong. I'll hope for him to be everything the militants on here are proclaiming him to be.

What's the record for longest thread in TSW history?

You really think 5 or 6 decent games qualifies someone to be elevated to "great" status? Quick recap of Young's "great" play this season. In 5 games as the starter he's thrown for over 200 yards twice (210 against us and 380 against Arizona) and has 4 TDs and 2ints. Holy-low-expectations-Batman! If that's what qualifies as "great" then the Bills are in beautiful shape at QB.

Lots of good opinions on here. Thanks! This is a great idea that I hadn't thought of when I started the thread ... does anyone know if he had it written into his contract that the Bills couldn't franchise him? If not, and I don't think there is that clause, what are the ramifications of TO being a bigger pain in the ass if he IS franchised and forced to stay here against his will? Hmmm

It's early for this, I know. And I know people on the board are pretty divided about how they really feel about TO wearing a buffalo on his helmet. However, I'm curious what people think TO would need to do in order for the Bills to make a (serious) offer to retain TO in '10, or what the Bills need to do in order for TO to want to come back. My (worthless) two cents on the situation: Yes, TO drops balls. But he also gets open more than any WR we've had on this roster since Andre Reed retired. I personally think that TO has gotten a bad wrap as far as his on and off the field blowups have gone -- yes, some of them have been his own doing but others have been the media spinning things in a negative way (especially in Dallas and since he's been here in Buffalo). It's a shame that the Bills have not had a good enough O-Line or consistent enough play from their QBs to get him the ball more this year. I think during the past two games TO has shown he has gas in the tank and would be a valuable weapon to have on this team in '10 -- especially if the Bills do go out and get a rookie/franchise-type QB to groom for the future. I believe the Bills absolutely should make a play to retain him in '10. From the Bills' perspective, I think they will make an offer to retain him. It makes sense when you look at how the WR corps will shake out in the off season. Josh Reed will be a UFA, and the Bills have banished Johnson and Hardy to the inactive list so much this season that it's really impossible to tell what, if anything, they can offer in '10 as far as being the number 2 guy behind Lee -- or the number 3 guy in the slot. They have too many holes to address in the draft to warrant using a high draft pick on another WR. So that leaves FA. And personally, I think TO will once again be the best available WR on the Free Agent market ... though admittedly, I'm not too familiar with who will be available from other teams. Considering all those factors, I think the Bills will make an offer to keep him -- but I'm not certain it will be enough to convince him to stay. From TO's perspective, I always felt he was going to use his time in Buffalo to audition for a 3-4 year deal from a contending club. I think he's tired of being in Buffalo -- not as far as the city or fans go, but he wants to play for a winning club. The only way I think he will consider coming back to the Bills is if they make a serious commitment to a top coach and QB in the off season. There's a chance that if they keep Perry (doubtful) and get a great GM in here to make personnel moves he could be convinced to stay, but at the very least it's going to take a 4 year deal worth 30 million. And that might be low. If TO leaves, and I feel it's a highly likely he will (call it 85%), the Bills will have to scramble to fill yet another hole when frankly, they should be focusing on the OL, DL, LB, QB spots instead. So what say the folks here on TSW? What do you think it will take, from the Bills perspective and from TO's perspective to keep him in the fold? Or do you think the Bills would be better served letting him go elsewhere?

Agreed! Still you had better eyes than me there! So feel free to rub it in

Agreed!

This. But I correct my previous statement that the bomb to TO was called from the sideline. Just heard the press conferences. It was a pass play called but Fitz audibled to the bomb. Kudos to him and San Jose for calling that.

Hey, during seasons like this we have to celebrate the little things.

Love seeing Mace get an INT three days after being called up! Hahahaha!

But big difference, on that INT play by Whitner he sent 7 rather than sitting back and playing in a soft Tampa 2. He's aggressive and playing to win rather than not to lose. Love it.

Alright Donte! SQUISH!

No there's not. 2 scores. It's over.