Bob in STL

CJ looked very good in his one carry. I would not anoint the Beast yet. Chambers is just plain bad. He got cut last year and he is back and even further up the depth chart because our FO continues to ignore the OT position. McGee looked slow and did not have a good game.

There is no such book. Remember the Titans fake punt last year in preseason?

I don't care about not challenging the TD. I did not like not going for it with just inches to go. All that talk about blocking and tackling and being tough. This was the time to run a QB sneak right behind Andy Levitre and keep the ball.

I am an Italian American-American Native. I must say that I am very tired of the political correctness stuff. I don't hate the Redskins now because I didn't hate them 40 years ago when no one cared about this crap. In today's world I can't even say Merry Christmas to you because someone else might get offended. You can't say the Pledge of Allegiance in a public school either because it mentions God. I boycott all this PC stuff. All of it. Including the zealots who insist on renaming sports teams. Treat people right. Do not pre-judge. Be nice and live good.

Flipper with a botttle cap? It is a Dolphin jumping through a hoop, and the hoop is the sun. Bottle cap?

Trent is going to start. Hey the first drive was good.

Decent QB pressure? In the first half we had no sacks and no pressures. Maybin was owned by a rookie in his first start. Maybin also had a late hit on their second possesion, which, by the way kept the Skins drive alive. BTW - Maybin is still in the game in the fourth quarter playing against fodder. He has made some QB pressures in the second half but is lost on running plays.

This is a tough call. Edwards did not throw on time because he was quickly flushed out of the pocket. Chambers was a turnstile as usual. Evans needs to get to the ball and help the QB out. When a QB throws on the run the WR needs to be moving too. I put this one on Evans.

Yeah I know it is early, first preseason game, new coaching staff and all that stuff. • Good first drive mixing runs and short passes. A stupid holding penalty by Stupar killed a 22 yard run to the 3 by Lynch. We salvaged a FG. • Defensive starters stopped the run in the two series that they played. Starting front seven was Edwards, Williams and Stroud. Torbor, Mitchell, Davis, and Ellis. • Pass rush was not there. No QB pressures. Nothing. • Maybin played on 3rd down passing downs. He was swallowed up by rookie Trent Williams. Maybin had a stupid roughing the passer penalty on a 3rd and 6 stop. That kept the skins aliove and they went on to score a TD. • Trent Edwards looked ok on the first drive and bad after that. Pressure on him from the right side led to mistakes and rushed passes. • The OL was bad. They starters from right to left were: Chambers, Corrado Something, Hangartner, Levitre, Meredith. Pass protection was good on the left side and horrid on the right. • On the Edwards interception Kirk Chambers missed his man completely. Edwards was flushed out of the pocket and threw on the run to an open Evans. Evans stopped moving and the DB went for the ball and got the pick. Theisman (the TV analyst) called out Evans for quitting on the play and he was correct. Evans did not go back to the QB, if he had he would have had the reception. • Our 3rd defensive series featured a different set of front 7 and they were very bad as a unit. Also, TSW fan favorite George Wilson missed several tackles in the secondary allowing big gains. • Our offense continued to sputter. Chambers had two false starts and was schooled in pass protection. The starting offense went 3 and out in their third series. • Fourth series and we still had the starting offense in there. We had a 3rd and 15 and Edwards hit Steve Johnson on a catch and run for 14.9 yds. Curiously Gailey lined them up in short yardage formation and did not run a play. Straight from the Dick Jauron book of play calling. We had a chance to practice a meaningful 3rd and inches and we flinched. That hurt. • Spiller had one run for greater than 10 yards and looks very explosive. • Carrington and Troup looked like rookies. • Fitz played the last series and looked lost. • 21-3 at halftime. • As I type this we are getting pummeled in the second half and Theisman just mentioned that the Bills as a team look tired and have no legs. Long way to go.

I saw that. They covered Trent Williams, then Shanny, then McNabb, then Haynesworth. I started to think what about the Bills when Eisen says "30 seconds, anything to say about the Bills?" I was shocked to see Faulk look down and shake his head no. The body language said it all. What happened? Why did he do this?

Do we need a thread on yet another prediction that we will suck? That is about normal. The media reads what the media puts out. What else is anyone going to say? 1. We did not hire a big name Coach 2. We did not draft a QB until round 7 3. We did not draft a tackle until round 5 4. We are changing the defense 5. Spiller is great but why did we draft him? 6. We lost Owens, Schobel, Butler and Reed. We added Winkin', Blinkin' and Nod. 7. Our best player is a punter 8. We play in Toronto 9. Ralph Wilson is still the owner 10. It snows in Buffalo but the wings are great No ONE is going to predict a good season for this team. BTW - My prediction is 8-8.

Thanks for the laugh.

So are we all former communists?

No. Win on Sunday starting on September 12th.

Butkus was dominant at his position and deserves to be there. Sounds like you never saw him play? If I were a GM and Joe Greene, John Hannah, and Walter Jones were all on the draft board I would pick Joe Greene and I would sprint to the podium to do it. Don't get me wrong, Hannah and Jones were great players but Greene was a game changer. Larry Allen? I have to chuckle at that one.

I lived there for a year. I must say, #2 at what? It was pretty bland back then ... loaded with subsidized pre-planned neighborhoods and overpriced town houses in 1992.

You are wrong at so many levels. His size, his pass defense skills, the fan favorite bit, the issues with the law, durability. Pretty much everything you said is 100% wrong. Congrats for your consistency!

OJ belongs on this list. He was the player of the decade for the 70's and the 70's made the NFL.

Being concerned about this will benefit no one. Torbor is a veteran who has proven he can get the job done. Maybin is 22, came out of school too early, and is still developing both physically and mentally.

Promo I enjoy your posts but you have got to be careful. This team is rebuilding and has serious depth and experience issues. The OL is still very questionable until proven otherwise. The defensive front seven is unproven in playing a new scheme. The QB situation is also questionable. We shall see this year if Edwards is ever going to develop, be a leader, and throw the dam ball down the field. We have a roster full of players that are used to losing and have not figured out how to win close games. I can see 8 or 9 wins if all questionable areas turn out for the best. Realistically I think that it is very possible that this team plays better than last year and still only wins 4 or 5 games.

He has to have some kind of trademark? Maybe it will be playing tough and winning more games.

Agree that we could have a good looking rookie class, just like last year. Being realistic, we are playing rookies because of lack of depth and injuries. Wang only plays if we have injuries to the stellar group that is Bell, Green, Meredith and Chambers. If that happens we are in big trouble. Easley only plays if Johnson, Parish, Jackson don't produce and Hardy gets cuts. I understand that Easley has been looking better than Hardy so he may have seen some playing time. Moats and Batten are mostly likely to play ST. They might be behind undrafted Coleman. Calloway is a back up gaurd and possibly last on the depth chart. If we have 5 rookies playing a lot it is a sign of a weak team that has lots of injuries (see last years addition of the Buffalo Bills).

It matters because the odds are so much better to find a Pro Bowler in the first two rounds vice the UDFA route. I am not sayinag that all round 1 and 2 picks should be pro bowlers but the majority should be starters.

To drag out an old Marvism ... our best rookies this year will be last years rookies. Honestly, did you really expect any of these three to play a major role this season? Spiller will make an impact. Troup will rotate with Williams. Carrington will see playing time, and likely more as the season progresses. After that I don't see much more help from the rookies other than special teams.

Then make a point. The thread is about drafting two rookies high in the draft and then starting them. You brought in the QB analogy. If Smith has a better season then possibly improved OL play has something to do with it? Maybe he has more weapons at the skill positions? Or maybe experience has something to do with it? Maybe even a combination of all three? Anything but "he just decided to get better".