Bob in STL

It will help Bradford and hurt our chances of developing a QB. Trading Evans will leave another massive hole. Knowing our FO we will trade Lee for a 3rd rounder and then spend a #1 drafting his replacement. (See Henry, McGahee, Lynch and Spiller).

In this great new defense that Byrd gets to line up 30 yards deep and watch the game from the field level. Seriously, he is playing so deep that he is no longer a factor in any of the plays. This is especially evident in the red zone when he plays behind all the opposing WRs and TEs and watches them catch TD passes. Whitner is also too deep and has been late in support on many critical plays. This did not happen last year. The way the safeties are being used is a factor as is the obvious lack of pass rush.

In this great new defense that Byrd gets to line up 30 yards deep and watch the game from the field level. Seriously, he is playing so deep that he is no longer a factor in any of the plays. This is especially evident in the red zone when he plays behind all the opposing WRs and TEs and watches them catch TD passes. Whitner is also too deep and has been late in support on many critical plays. This did not happen last year. The way the safeties are being used is a factor as is the obvious lack of pass rush.

Edwards will survive until the season is over. After that the Bills should look to improve all position, including coaching staff. We played a 4-3 against the Jags and it did not help. Prior to that we had been playing the 4-3 a lot. Are defense is bad for these reasons: 1 - We have the worst LBs in the league. None of them can rush the passer like a 3-4 requires; and none of them can cover like a 3-4 requires. They are very poor in any alignment. 2 - We have a very weak DL. They believe that Kelsey is their best so there you go. Stroud is at the end of the road. Edwards is not a pass rusher. Kyle Williams is a solid role player at best. There is no bench strength as Troup and Carrington are learning. Spencer and McCargo will be cut next year and out of football for good. 3 - Secondary - a good unit that suffers from no pass rush. I also see a difference in the play of the safeties this year. They are very deep and always late to the play. Byrd is playing so deep that he is never in the play and as a result has no pics. Byrd and Whitner have been horrid in the red zone as they play deep in the end zone and watch opposing reciever catch TDs. I think you can blame the new coaches for this aspect of bad play.

Sure. Lets stockpile 7th rounders. That will show everyone we are serious!

The 85 Bills had a decent OL and a decent DL. The QB position was horrid as was rthe coaching.

Good to here. Would like to see some positve impact from this draft class.

You do not know what your talking about. The Bills will not be sold cheaply. Here is why: 1 - The teams record will have NOTHING to do with with its sale price. Why would he even consider selling it cheap. Los Angeles and Toronto are both sitting there without an NFL team? 2 - The economy will have nothing to do with its sale price. Who ever buys the team will have more money than you can ever imagine. NFL Owners must approve any sale of an NFL team and they will make sure that the new ownership is loaded, is low risk, and will put a team in a market that will expand EVERYONE'S share.

Whitner, not Witner, played the run well today. He was still woeful in pass coverage. Yet another opposing TE feasted on his inability to support long pass plays over the middle. I will agree with your point that there are many players on Buffalo's defense worse at their positions than Whitner.

Positives? You can sure tell when Troup was out there. The Jags must have averaged 10 yards per carry instead of the normal 5. Carrington? Was there a Carrington sighting? Steve Johnson - not impressed. Still slow. Still cuts off his pattern too soon. Still had drops at key times. He had a killer penalty in the red zone. Ok -- he dd make a very nice TD catch but really, this guy is maybe a number 4 wideout on a decent team. I saw two positives: 1 - Fred Jackson 2 - We are at a bye week.

They fire Tom Donahoe and hire Marv Levy (no FO experience) and Russ Brandon (marketing guy with no Football experience) to run the team. Marv leaks out that he really prefers to coach. For several years it is apparent that no one is really at the controls, especially on draft day. Marv quits with one year still on his contract and is not replaced ... Brandon and Jauron "take over". Jauron is given a new contract after 3 straight 7-9 seasons. Jauron falls out of favor after his team blows a 5-1 start. Nest season ... It was a complete joke that Dick Jauron's rag-tag offense was even going to try to run the no-huddle as their primary offense. They cut Walker and then cut the OC, just one week before the first game. Jauron is evcentually purged. After Jauron they start a campaign for a new GM and hopefully a revamped FO. Wilson hires a well known scout from within the ranks because he "didn't recognize any of the other names". Next they did an "all out coaching search" but all the poor fans ever heard about is all of the coaches that turned down interviews. They media has been blasting the Bills since the removal of Tom Donahoe but look at the circus that they see. The Bills deserve the bad press, but the fans do not.

He is right about a lot of things. Unfortunately everything he says has been covered 1000 times before. No summary and no ideas.

"work the phones?" So who makes trades in the season? Look at what New England does. They just traded Randy Moss. Before that it was Seymore. Before that is was somebody else. They have 2 picks in the each of the first four rounds next year. They will retool and possibly win the division at the same. We do not need to bring in other teams cast offs. Lets stock pile draft picks and then do something novel like draft good players.

Stick with the change. We play a 3-4 and a 4-3 anyway as do most 3-4 teams. Let's draft better football players and then we won't be talking about what scheme to play.

Been a fan since I can remember .. since I was born in 1958 that goes back to about 63-64 for me. I am never going to jump off "the bandwagon" but I deserve the right to vent a little bit. There are three constants for the Buffalo Bills since inception: 1. Ralph Wilson 2. Die hard fans 3. Loyalty Ralph has always been loyal to those percieved to be loyal to him, including loyalty to the city of Buffalo. Because of this, some of his front office cronies seem to get a pass no matter what their performance is. Buffalo's fans have in turn always been loyal, no matter the product that Ralph has produced.

Consistency is most important on the OL. Change for the sake of change is not good. Why replace the entire middle three to play two guys, namely Wang and Urbik, who have exactly ZERO NFL experience? What have these two characters done to earn an NFL start? The most interesting prospect so far is not Wang or Urbik but Cordero Howard who you fail to mention. He could end up pushing one of the the starting gaurds to the bench someday.

I think he said "I'm not looking for the best players, I'm looking for the best TEAM". So what have they done? Cut a few players, pick up a draft pick and a few players that were let go by other teams.

You just learned this? Their ability to unload veterans for draft pick is well documented. Expect them to trade some of those picks for more picks, and better picks, in 2012.

Welcome back DC. I agree. It had to be done and that 4th round pick could be a starting LB, a RT, or TE someday.

Terrible trade? Freddy has gas in the tank. He is a good all purpose back. Spiller is one of the few potential stars on the team and he will get a lot of touches. If this trade is real it is about all you can expect. Best wishes to Lynch but he is caught in a numbers game. He has great ability.

So why hasn't anybody else hired Billick?

Williams is a good rotational player. Not an every down NT. Troup played more than I have seen in past weeks. Maybe getting pushed around by Mangold will speed up his development? Scoring is a huge difference. Also, I think we blitz less and get much less pressure, evidenced by the fact that we have ZERO picks. We cannot seems to force a turnover.

We drafted Troup (NT), Carrington (DE), Batten (LB), and Moats (LB). All of them project to play the 3-4. Problem is they are rookies. You simply cannot expect too much from a rookie, especially mid and late round picks. If a rookie starts on your team you had a big hole. There are exceptions but not a lot. In every draft there are players that can step in but it sure seems like the ones that make an impact are the ones surrounded by good players. Ever notice that good teams can plug in a rookie and bad teams can't?

Correct. Whitner and Fitz and I will go with Poz too. Afetr that forget it. Evans looked like he quit.

Jets game last year versus Jets game this year. Call it a stretch play or a cut back run ... we don't have the horses to play good defense. The Jets killed us with it last year (4-3) and once again this year (3-4). Does not matter what scheme we run? No, Their blockers are so much beter than our front 7 it does not matter at all. We really need to credit Perry Fewell for getting the defense ready last year. They had some good games overall. Now? What a difference this year with basically the same players. Where are the blitzes and the forced turnovers? Changing to a 3-4 lust set us back at least another year in "the rebuild". Most of the time we play with 4 down lineman, the 4th down linemen is usually Chris Kelsy lined up as a DE. Kelsey has no sacks and gets no pressure, but he has a new contract. LBs - Ellis, Torbor, and Ellison are not getting it done. Davis can't cover my grandmother. Poz is playing alone. We sorely need linebackers on this team. So I ask ... We get excited about a few rookies such as Moats (6th rounder) and Coleman (UDFA). Of course they are not even close to the same level as Orakpo, Cushing and Matthews? Each of them are all making a huge contributions to their teams while our #1 pick collects a big paycheck and twitters like some high school kid. Does this tell us anything? Anyone else feel foresaken by this FO?