Bob in STL

If Merriman plays up to his old level, or even close, then everyone on this team gets better. He was a special player. I hope he can return to form.

Cool stuff. It took a few years for this line to jell but they were a strong group playing along with Joe O'Donnell, Dave Berman, Dick Hutson and Paul Costa.

What will help this line is good health and good luck. As we all know, there is no experienced depth. If they can avoid injuries the starting 5 could jell into something decent. Not expectuing dominant play so Chan will have to be clever.

As I mentioned in another OL related thread, these are the types of players we will pick up. Similar to Urbik and Pears and the TE the just acquired. They are looking for the diamond in the rough. A young player with some potential that they can hopefully develop. No quick fixes here. This rebuild is not on a 3 year plan. It will take at least 4 years and that is only if they hit big on the their drafts.

Jason Peters was rated below both of them. He turned ok. While the odds are stacked against him, how about we give him a chance?

Calm down guuys. He is a Scout Team offensive lineman. They have three backups and one other OL on the PS. Jasper makes 5. No big deal.

Wow. This is living on the edge. ... and no way can Hairston play effectively against starters at this point in his short career.

Victor Allotey - made the Bills for 3 years and never played a single play. Went to KC after that. no games for this guy

Stop the run. KC is a running team. Stop the Run and then rush the passer. now, enough said.

Actually Mr. Wallbash, Milloy did hlep us with the game planning in the season opener. That was the last timne we beat the Pats BTW.

He going to give us all the Belichek secrets!

Obvious NFL talent? Let's not forget that Bell got cut four times last year. Once by the Bills, twice by the Eagles, and once by the Colts. Andy Reid and Bill Polian also missed the "obvious NFL talent" as well. He lights it up in preseason but in games against NFL starters he lacks NFL speed and quickness. I wish him well in the Big Easy though.

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Coleman over Moats seems more reasonable to me. Coleman made more plays. Moats must be better on ST. Cutting Hangman was a slight surprise just do to the lack of experienced backups. Looks like a cost cutting move on the surface. Ruvell Martin over Roosvelt was surprising to me. Again, could be a ST move.

The Bills will most likely pick up an unknown project, similar to Urbik, Pears, Rinehart. They will shy away from the rent-a-veteran approach and try to find a diamond in the rough. Cheaper approach and it lets them develop the players they have. Did Buddy mention "they are building through thre draft" lately?

We picked up Lofton off of waivers before full agency was in effect. Lots of teams had a shot at him.

A number 9 pick should be more than average you say? Look up how many first round number 9 picks ended up "average". I did not rate the most recent ones. X marks the spot on average, some of my ratings may be debatable but many turned out to be average or below average. See below: 2011 Tyron Smith Cowboys 1 9 9 T USC 2010 C.J. Spiller Bills 1 9 9 RB Clemson 2009 B.J. Raji Packers 1 9 9 DT Boston College 2008 Keith Rivers Bengals 1 9 9 LB USC 2007 Ted Ginn Jr. Dolphins 1 9 9 WR Ohio State - x 2006 Ernie Sims Lions 1 9 9 LB Florida State - x 2005 Carlos Rogers Redskins 1 9 9 DB Auburn -x 2004 Reggie Williams Jaguars 1 9 9 WR Washington -x 2003 Kevin Williams Vikings 1 9 9 DE Oklahoma State 2002 John Henderson Jaguars 1 9 9 DT Tennessee 2001 Koren Robinson Seahawks 1 9 9 WR North Carolina State - x 2000 Brian Urlacher Bears 1 9 9 LB New Mexico 1999 Chris Claiborne Lions 1 9 9 LB USC - x 1998 Fred Taylor Jaguars 1 9 9 RB Florida 1997 Tom Knight Cardinals 1 9 9 DB Iowa - x 1996 Rickey Dudley Raiders 1 9 9 TE Ohio State - x 1995 Kyle Brady Jets 1 9 9 TE Penn State - x 1994 Antonio Langham Browns 1 9 9 DB Alabama - x 1993 Lincoln Kennedy Falcons 1 9 9 T Washington 1992 Tommy Vardell Browns 1 9 9 RB Stanford - x 1991 Stanley Richard Chargers 1 9 9 DB Texas - x 1990 Richmond Webb Dolphins 1 9 9 T Texas A&M 1989 Sammie Smith Dolphins 1 9 9 RB Florida State - x 1988 Terry McDaniel Raiders 1 9 9 DB Tennessee 1987 Jerome Brown Eagles 1 9 9 DT Miami (FL) 1986 John Rienstra Steelers 1 9 9 G Temple - x 1985 Kevin Allen Eagles 1 9 9 T Indiana 1984u Joey Jones Falcons 1 9 9 WR Alabama - x 1984 Rick Bryan Falcons 1 9 9 DT Oklahoma - x 1983 Bruce Matthews Oilers 1 9 9 G USC 1982 Gerald Riggs Falcons 1 9 9 RB Arizona State 1981 Mel Owens Rams 1 9 9 LB Michigan - x 1980 Doug Martin Vikings 1 9 9 DT Washington - x 1979 Al Harris Bears 1 9 9 DE Arizona State 1978 Keith Simpson Seahawks 1 9 9 DB Memphis State - x 1977 Mike Butler Packers 1 9 9 DE Kansas - x 1976 Bubba Bean Falcons 1 9 9 RB Texas A&M - x 1975 Mike Fanning Rams 1 9 9 DT Notre Dame - x 1974 Wilbur Jackson 49ers 1 9 9 RB Alabama - x 1973 Otis Armstrong Broncos 1 9 9 RB Purdue - x 1972 Jerome Barkum Jets 1 9 9 WR Jackson State - x 1971 John Brockington Packers 1 9 9 RB Ohio State 1970 Cedric Hardman 49ers 1 9 9 DE North Texas State 1969 Marty Domres Chargers 1 9 9 QB Columbia - x 1968 Haven Moses Bills 1 9 9 WR San Diego State - x 1967 Bob Hyland Packers 1 9 9 G Boston College - x

Very happy to hear Poz is comfy. Like the Pink Floyd song: " Momma's gonna keep Poz Cozy and Warm"

4-0 could happen. 0-4 could happen. I just want to beat the Pats* at home.

A couple of factors between Denver and Jax: Denver has better DL talnet and a couple of studs in Miller and Dumervil. They are better than Jax. Denver played a lot of stunts and blitzes that we were not ready for and did not adjust too. We played plain vanilla blocking schemes. Bell got his wake up call.

I doubt that Chan will go for it but Bellichek, Ryan, and Sparano all agree with you.

If our defense brngs an A+ game we have a shot at it. All I want is a shot.

When Chuck Knox rebuilt the Bills he brought in solid veteran help. Conrad Dobler (G), Phil Villapiano (LB), Isiah robertson (LB), Rossevelt Leaks (FB) ... and others. Adding a solid vet would help, especially at OT, but I do not see this FO paying the $$$.