JohnNord

Not really many similarities other than that Bills and Chiefs went into the half with a 10 point deficit. Someone here was telling me the game was over at 14-0. Clearly not the case. If your point is that the Bills offense didn’t step up…you would be correct. I’ve said for weeks now that you can argue the offense was worse than the defense

As for what happened this season, Lee didn’t blame coaching. He said he watched the game and knew in real time what was happening in the Cincinnati - the team was exhausted. They played like they had no gas in the tank. He believes it was a result from a crazy season and some bad breaks. He really believes they’ll get back on track next season

You may be right about fixing the offense but I feel the opposite about Dorsey. Talent was an issue on offense for sure - especially on the OL and maybe at WR. But if you give Dorsey a pass on talent, why not Frazier? It seems like he was handicapped from the lack of talent as well - due to injury. He had to scheme around a secondary that was missing 3/4 of the starters for most of the year. Sometimes all 4 starters. It wasn’t a huge issue since they could get pressure with 4. Once Miller went down he had to revamp how he called defense. I think Frazier needs to change some things on the defense but his track record of finishing in the Top 10 defensively is impressive.

If you listen to the interview, he never claimed the offense was perfect but said he thinks Dorsey is going to figure out what the issues were and that making big changes in season is tough

I think challenging a penalty will be a disaster only because there’s less obvious subjective fouls like holding which occurs frequently if not on every play. Are we now going to debate whether a hold was severe enough to constitute a penalty? Ugh I think what most sports fans want is consistency - especially with the judgement calls like Holding, PI, Roughing etc. The stuff with the catch is beyond laughable. We’ve seen plays like Poyer’s INT called incomplete on replay then saw Smith’s catch rules complete in the NFCCG. IMO that’s the biggest issue. Of course, there’s always going to be some degree of variance. It is impossible to be 100% perfect. But it has to be better than what we saw this weekend. I do think the NFL needs to hire f/t officials. Only way to get better at this.

I am hoping a better OL and at least 1 new WR solves a lot of the issues we saw this year.

This is a given. I see Beane’s problems as two-fold. 1. Likely with the influence of McDermott, the team has placed an emphasis on drafting defensive players highly rather than offensive ones. 2. The defensive players drafted, have not been difference makers. Best example is at DE. The Bills spend 3 premium picks on the position and still needed to sign a player like Von Miller because they weren’t good enough. Same thing could happen with Ed Oliver. This draft is going to be HUGE for the Bills. Not only does Beane need to hit on his picks better, McDermott can’t afford to have rookies inactive or not playing on game day. Need players who can compete on day 1

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2023/02/former-bills-tight-end-tells-fans-to-get-off-ken-dorsey-the-bills-are-going-to-be-terrifying-next-year.html Former Bills TE Lee Smith wants you to give Ken Dorsey a break! He spoke with Matt Parrino and Ryan Talbot of the Bills SHOUT podcast to discuss some of the fan criticism. Before you trash Lee…he was also complimentary of the fan base and he does think great things are on the horizon next year. Here’s what he said: “Now we’re bitching about 13-win seasons, so it’s like give me a break,” Smith said on the show. “I’m anti-fan sometimes. I watched Josh Allen get booed off the field when I first came back (in 2019). So it’s like give me a break. Stay on your couch and worry about how you make a living and not about Ken Dorsey. He’s a really good coach. He’s a really good man.” “Ken Dorsey, Josh Allen the combination of those two dudes man - just take a deep breath, relax,” Smith said. “Obviously Daboll was really, really good. Dorse will fix (it). It’s his first year being a coordinator man. Go back to Brian Daboll’s first year being a coordinator. I’m not sure if it was great or bad or anywhere in between - I wasn’t with Dabes his first year as a coordinator but give (Dorsey) a break. Nobody wants to fix those little inefficiencies more than Ken Dorsey does. Let him attack this offseason.” “Watch what Dorse and Josh do next year together. It’s gonna be scary guys,” Smith said. “I’m just telling y’all, I’m telling y’all right now the Buffalo Bills are going to be terrifying next year with the rejuvenation and the healing that hopefully takes place this offseason. Just from this crazy tragic eight months.” Let’s hope that Lee Smith is right! I have my reservations about him as OC.

The whole Fangio hire was a great idea on paper. Why not bring in another defensive mind for a few weeks - especially one with his experience/success. Then you realize that he has never beaten Kansas City and more times that not, was schooled by both Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. It happened again in the SB. Not a bad move by Philly…it probably didn’t hurt..:not sure how much it helped though

Name a team with a franchise QB that hired outside the org to replace a departing OC. More times that not, it’s an internal hire

I agree but I do get where he’s coming from after watching the SB, regarding Dorsey. You have 2 very good offensive play callers just balling out. When you look at Andy Reid’s play design and overall scheme and they you look at what Dorsey did last season, it’s easy to not feel optimistic. Granted he will never Andy Reid. Maybe not even Nick Sirianni. But I didn’t find his play calling very encouraging last season. Consistency. Changing coordinators and trying to “force” a relationship from outside the franchise doesn’t usually bode well. It also happens when your Franchise QB goes to bat for someone. It’s not like Dorsey wants qualified for the job.

The part about Teller is a lot of hindsight. They traded him because he was a 5th round pick that had value and couldn’t beat out Quinton Spain. He probably wasn’t going to make the team and they likely couldn’t keep him on the PS, so they made the deal. That’s it Clearly they should have been more patient with him, but he was not the same player he was turned out to be in Cleveland. He wasn’t… that happens. If you are going to fault Beane and McDermott’s drafting, it should be how they have prioritized defense over offense and have been largely unsuccessful.

The entire Chiefs team had a lot of luck last night which also helps

I think the URL injury to Josh on a blindside hit was the first wake-up call this front office needed. If you recall Bryce Huff ran right around David Quessenberry which could have possibly taken Josh out for the rest of the season and maybe longer. Beane and McDermott whiffed on OL badly this season and it cost them. Their biggest mistake was counting on Roger Saffold who not only had a miserable season but also forced Ryan Bates to the right side where he isn’t as effective. The other mistake was counting too heavy on Spencer Brown. Much like his rookie season he struggled down the stretch and was often injured. I am certain the Bills will grab at least one lineman high and try to find better depth than last season.

The BN sports director Josh Barnett frequent this place It could just be that it’s an aggregated feed with most recent articles on top and given the frequency of Bills coverage, their work shows up first

The problem in this forum and with Bills fans in general is #emotionalism Wow #emotionalism

The only FACT is that this post is dripping in #emotionalism. Leslie is our DC Yea because I think Beane will think very highly of an anonymous emotional fan on a random fan forum Yea because I think Beane will think very highly of an anonymous emotional fan on a random fan forum

The emotion and overreaction in the Bills fan base is off the charts. FIRE EVERYONE

I see things a bit differently. I think you getting a bit too caught in statistics rather than thinking about things from a practical standpoint. Styles make fights. Certain teams are tougher matchups for others. This was the case in the SB - Tampa Bay would pressure Kansas City with their front 4…Buffalo could not. As far as the losses in 2020, the bills defense just wasn’t on the level to compete with a Kansas City. Nothing they were throwing at Kansas City was working. Mahomes was slicing up the defense in zone and when they switch to man-to-man it got worse. The Bills should have beaten Kansas City in 2021. Yes you have the 13 seconds debacle but there also was the fact that no one on the defense stepped up to make a play. There was no pressure which would be their biggest emphasis in the off-season. Against Cincinnati, the Bills were missing the one player they signed to put them over the top in Miller, their best defensive tackle in Jones, Micah Hyde, as well as a banged up Jordan Poyer who didn’t look like himself. The first two drives were terrible surrendering 14 points on 2 possessions. The scored 13 points in the final 3 quarters. I’m not saying that the Defensive game plan was good. It was not. But let’s not pretend that they weren’t playing short-handed. Still bottom line - they gave up 27 points. The coordinator Bills fans should be concerned about us Ken Dorsey. He had a full offense with zero injuries at his disposal and he scored 10 points.

TBH this is why I’m much more concerned about Dorsey as OC than Frazier. I’m hoping that a better OL fixes a lot of the issues. I can’t figure out why the Bills can’t a RB involved in the passing game. It kind of was the same last seasons, so my guess is that Josh bears some responsibility

He isn’t though. Terry is not going to fire him next season if things go sideways.

I think Rosseau has turned out to be a solid starting DE so far. He’s good against the run and is able to generate a pass rush. I’m not thinking he’s ever going to be a star but he also is not AJ Epinesa or Boogies Basham

How can you make a prediction when we don’t even know what the rosters look of ANY team will look like?

He never said that Josh doesn’t like his OL. Josh has always said glowing things publicly and is very close with Morse and Dawkins. What said is that as a whole, he didn’t seem like he could trust them to give him time. Too often he became used to getting rushed and improvising. As a result there were time he left a clean pocket because he didn’t anticipate he’d have time .

Why is no one saying 2020…that was arguably his best season. He had time to pass and was absolutely dealing from the pocket. I hope to see that again in 2023