JohnNord

That’s why this topic is insanely ridiculous and futile. What’s next? ”If Bruce Smith were to leave Buffalo in 1991, could you blame him?” Get out of heeeeere! It’s also projecting the fan viewpoint onto the best player on the team. Since some fans believe McDermott is the problem, they automatically assume Josh feels the same way - when in reality there’s never been any evidence to suggest otherwise. It’s foolish to even indulge in this goofy topic.

LOL possibly one of the silliest topics ever started. You say you don’t think it will happen - then why even start this thread. For Josh to decline and extension and leave would make him look like a complete hypocrite, based on what he’s said about Buffalo. He’s staying. Case closed. Silly topic.

Yes it does take two or three seasons to evaluate a draft. But if we’re projecting, it seems to me that this draft is follows the same patterns of previous Beane drafts. Average talent in Rounds 1-3, excellent value in Rounds 4-7. I’m not that high on Coleman. I don’t think he’ll be a complete bust but I also can’t see him breaking out. He’s the same receiver in the NFL as he was in college. IMO most likely roles is WR4. Bishop is tough to evaluate. Good news is he wasn’t a liability on the field when he plays (sans 1 play versus Houston), but he also never stood out when he got reps. Not sure where he stands. I’m not high on Carter. Yes he made a nice run stop versus Tennessee but he also was one of the worst players on defense and couldn’t see the field in the postseason - not a good sign. We’re looking at a rotational defensive lineman which isn’t great for a 3rd rounder. I think Davis and Solomon will be role players, which is good return for their picks. I think Grable, SVG, and Hardy also have some potential. So overall, it’s tough to assign a grade for this draft but I also haven’t been encouraged by the Coleman and Carter picks. Which rookies would you play over current Bills starters? The only argument you can make could be Bishop over Coleman. The rest showed they weren’t ready.

I wouldn’t really call DaQuann a big swing. They signed him to starter money 2 years $14M but it seemed to me like they were filling a hole short term rather than making a big investment like they did with Star in 2018

I would disagree with this - Star was average at best for two seasons, before he peaced out during the COVID season. It was largely a bad investment by Buffalo. They signed him from Carolina for his untapped potential, but he was largely the same average DT. When Star returned in 2021 after the COVID year he just wasn’t the same player and by the end of the year the Bills made him a healthy scratch. Just a very bad signing

You forgot about Harrison Phillips, who has played better in Minnesota as is a legit starting DT. I think the big issue is they haven’t tried to take a big swing at DT since Star. Take a look at that list - it’s mostly low salaried FA’s and mid-level draft picks. Even a player like Ford who had a great season, was available deep into the offseason. So when you haven’t made much of an investment how return can you really expect? I also think part of the problem is that they signed players that don’t uniquely fit their needs at DT. Ford and Settle are best at 1TDT, and it seems like Buffalo tried playing them next to Ed Oliver. Same with DeWayne Carter. So I don’t think the problem is the scheme or the coaching. The Bills just never really made a strong attempt to address that need, though I feel that change this offseason.

I’m pretty sure Richie admitted that his language was harsh and not appropriate. What he always denied was that it was a bullying situation, and Martin’s recent comments would seem to support this.

I think the Bills know this, which is why they reset the roster last season. It’s putting them in position for a second “window” which is currently open.

There’s long really bad players. As far as the “worst” if you factor in the opportunity cost you might consider John McCargo, Torell Troupe, or TJ Graham Marv Levy and Buddy Nix were bad too, and I think Bills fans really overrate Doug Whaley. Bottom line - this team was a mess before McDermott and Beane.

Agreed. It was funny watching Dolphins glaze him after re-signing Mosert in the offseason. He’s a 30 year-old back with injuries and a history of fumbling. Miami made the right choice

He’s entitled to his opinion like we all are. But calling someone a “lazy GM” when you haven’t worked in the NFL for a near decade is certainly a choice.

This is the problem… most of the players Beane drafted are solid but they just aren’t difference makers. The strange thing is that aside from Elam and Boogie Basham, he really hasn’t busted on many draft picks and he’s been good in the lower rounds. But you need a few of those high-end guys on your team if you want to win a championship. That’s enough incentive to really take a big swing for Garrett

Monos has been fair to Buffalo in the past and I don’t think he’s said anything too crazy. I think Dunne has had an axe to grind with McDermott in the past. Never got that sense from Monos. As far as why he said about Beane - he’s right. There aren’t enough difference makers on the team. Last season, I was indifferent on the Coleman pick. This season, I’m less than encouraged. He’s basically been the same player he was projected to be pre-draft. Maybe a touch better but still not the answer we were looking for at WR. Jury is out on Bishop. I think he’s played good so far and does have some upside. The line about “lazy GM’ing” is a joke though. Plenty of SB contenders have traded for difference makers because they couldn’t draft one.

Any predictions at this point in the offseason are worthless as we don’t even know what the final rosters will look like. “

Is this you Sal!?!? 😉 TBH I’d surprised if this alone was the case. I’m sure there’s a lot that went into this move. We don’t even know if Coleman or Carter are any good and Kincaid’s impact still is up for question

Not me. I don’t like the UFL because it largely lacks originality and appears inferior in every aspect. Only good part is that it allows the NFL to test rules like kickoffs etc Arena League Football was a distinct variation of football with unique presentation and rules. It was a genuine game, not a mere imitation of the NFL. The issue is that there have been numerous localized indoor football leagues like IFL that were poor imitations of the AFL. I don’t see an IFL being successful in Buffalo but we’ll see

TBH this forum is pretty cool. Even though we don’t always see things the same I think most of us want to same goal. Always appreciate how people can go back and forth without resorting to insults or name calling. It makes it fun.

The fact that Josh knew the mailroom guys name is incredible. Loved the video

Sean Murphy… the son of John Murphy

It’s an interesting idea but the sense I get is that it’s a lot harder of a move than it sounds. You would have think Buffalo, LAR, or Baltimore would have tried this already. I’m guessing it’s not an option. The Bills org still loves Tre and I believe he took a photo on the field after the Baltimore loss. But I think they are also realistic about his ability and I can’t see them bringing him back unless is on the PS

If the O is set, why did McDermott say they needed needed to add impact players on offense and defense? He probably wasn’t talking about QB, OL, or RB… he meant at WR. The Bills know they need to upgrade the WR room, which is why they traded away a 3rd round pick for Cooper. They know Mack Hollins can only do so much as their primary outside WR. Like I said, I see them bringing back Hollins, adding a WR like Hollywood Brown and drafting a WR as well. That’s exactly what they need at WR and the Bills know it

Cooper won’t be coming back - they’ll need 2 WR’s - hopefully 1 in free agency and the other through the draft

This can’t be understated enough. Bills re-signed Tre in 2020 believing they had a foundational piece to their defense for the next five seasons. They got about 1.5 years out of that deal. No one wants to hear this but thanks to coaching and the play of vets like Hyde and Poyer, Bills were able to get by with below average cornerbacks. But this was quite a drop off from Tre’s play prior to 2021. Also Tre’s struggle to recover created a massive need at CB ultimately forcing Buffalo to reach for Kaiir Elam - one of Beane’s biggest draft blunders

That’s not the same scenario but…go on

There’s no guarantee Crosby will be traded. He seemed to be fine with Pete Carroll as head coach. Who knows where Garrett will end but are speculating Philadelphia. If the Bills want in on Garrett, they’ll have a shot.