JohnNord

So they are Super Bowl contender…. They just need a QB. Solid logic.

What I was doing was adding nuance to the discussion to show that at the time of the signing there was little concern of Von Miller’s injury history or a reoccurrence to tearing his ACL. I tried to share one example from an actual PT doctor who echoed this sentiment. What you’re doing is looking at the result and pretending that this was a concern 3 years ago. It wasn’t. Hardly anyone talking about Von Miller as a player with an injury history. If they did… prove it.

Where’s your evidence? If you need me to, I can find more examples of how injury history wasn’t a concern 3 years ago

It’s almost always a lie. I think these events reinforce the idea that money > winning. That’s why I laugh at these Bengal fans who think Tee Higgins is going to take less to play with Chase and Burrow

Ok then show me evidence about the injury concerns about Von Miller in 2022. Where are all of the people who were concerned about Von’s injury history? Age? Yes Contract? Yes Injury History? No Here’s my evidence. Dr. Kyle Trimble had this to say about Von’s injury history on 3/19/22: What a signing! General manager Brandon Beane identified the shortcomings of last year’s team and did everything in his power to address any remaining weaknesses with this signing. I understand there are concerns regarding his age and the contract length, but Von Miller continues to produce at a high level no matter the season. Miller has won everywhere he’s been and has shown the ability to be an effective leader in the locker room. Looking at his snap counts, he was routinely playing over 80% of the defensive snaps over multiple years, still producing at an elite level. Placed into the Buffalo Bills’ defensive line rotation may mean a reduction in snaps, and it may also allow him to stay fresher and potentially avoid injury. This could be a huge year for the team and Miller. The only injury concern I have is the dislocated peroneal tendon. Considering that it was his left foot, I expect him to line up on the right side to avoid having to explode off the left foot to bend the edge. But other than that, he proved that last season he could return to form. Regrettably, I cannot find any information on the reinjury risk for an injury such as this. This is a fairly rare injury in itself but last year’s production puts most of my concerns to rest. As for his other injuries, the thumb injury and ACL tear were so long ago, they won’t have much of an impact on his present skills and there is very little concern to reinjure those areas. He also does not have an extensive history of soft tissue injuries, which he should continue to avoid with less playing time and better recovery methods with the Bills’ training center. https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2022/3/19/22984191/injury-analysis-buffalo-bills-pass-rusher-von-miller-2022-nfl-free-agency

I believe the old-fashioned term is “penny wise, pound foolish.” Cincinnati publicly said they were committed to making Chase the highest paid non QB in the NFL but proceeded to do nothing. Now Garrett is making $40M and Metcalf has $30M+ per season. So saving a few million could easily end up costing Cincinnati over $10 million dollars just on Chase!

I disagree with you on the reaction to Von. There was some concern about his age as well as the size of his contract, but the discussion was never about an injury history. This is revisionist history. If you look at media coverage from a national and local perspective, most people loved the signing. Again, some concern about age/contract but the general consensus was “the Bills are taking a big swing to get their closer.” That’s the thing… they needed to take that big swing. There’s a ton on nuance in this decision that you are choosing to leaving out

If you watched the first 11 games of 2022, you’d know the Bills defense was better with a healthy Von than they were with a healthy Jerry Hughes his last two seasons. If you’re comparing a healthy Jerry Hughes to a post ACL Von Miller, it’s not really an equitable comparison.

What moves are you anticipating then?

The Bills have a very good roster that should have a chance to compete for a Super Bowl. I feel that this offseason was all about maximizing the SB window and adding impact players on offense and defense. Hendrickson is the only one left and that’s probably a pipe dream. Bills aren’t going to overspent for a player like Josh Sweat or Javon Holland either. In 2019, Brandon Beane chose to spend money on players like Cole Beasley and John Brown to average contracts, as opposed to overpaying a WR. I have a feeling they’ll do the same this season. Maybe a notch above the Tim Settle’s on the free agent market. Not what I was hoping for.

Thanks, that was my original point. Based on his market value and fit for the defense, I didn’t think he was a great option in Buffalo

He’s a nice player but never saw Landry as a good fit in Buffalo.

I’d rather have Josh Palmer and a rookie WR

Gee… I wonder what the difference was? He only played half a season with the Rams and never was injured. It happened years ago in Denver. Just because someone tears an ACL years ago doesn’t mean it’s guaranteed to happen again. You are correct though. Every big signing is one ACL from going sideways. That happened with Von. It doesn’t mean it was a bad move.

Recency bias. If you go back to the first season Von was in Buffalo, he was really good. 8 sacks in less than 12 games. Once he was injured the defensive pressure rate took a dump. In the end, he largely turned out to be bust but I’ll argue this was a swing worth taking. Exactly. Everyone saying that Von was injury prone due to the age is revisionist. Plenty of defenders have played at 30+ without tearing an ACL. All free agent signings are one bad injury from going awry. This was the case with Miller in Buffalo

I disagree… the Diggs trade definitely worked out. Josh turned into an elite QB and Diggs became a top 5 WR in the NFL. Also the Bills haven’t lost an AFCE Championship since his arrival. The re-signing of Diggs is the deal that killed the team. I think Beane might have moved too quickly thinking it might make him happier. Regardless, the initial risk was definitely worth the reward

Who is a “warm weather” team that is also a contender? Miami? San Fran? LAC? Basically he’s gonna Myles Garrett and sign with whoever pays him the most.

He was the worst player on defense in the Baltimore game and a big reason why Lamar sliced right through the defense. I don’t think he’s ready but we’ll see

It’s true 90% of the time. The difference is that Garrett has already earned over $120M in his NFL career. You’d think a veteran like Garrett might trade a couple millions if it meant winning a Lombardi Hendrickson is the only difference maker but he won’t get the contract he wants at 36.

The Garrett situation is a bit different. Watt and Hopkins said “I want to win a Super Bowl and my team isn’t serious about winning.” They actually left for OTHER teams. Garrett said the same thing about winning SB’s, also specified that it wasn’t about money for him and said he took his time making the decision, only to re-sign for money! It was probably a wise business decision for Garrett but a bad one for his legacy and also one that makes him look like a hypocrite. Oh well, when the Browns are in the basement of the AFC, at least Garrett can roll around in money pile

I have no problem with a player like Garrett taking the contract but it makes him look like a hypocrite when he asked for trade and said it’s about winning a Super Bowl and not about money. He ain’t winning ***** in Cleveland over the next few season. It’s ALL about the money. He looks like a huge hypocrite

Bills fans forget how good he was in 2022. He likely would have finished with double digit sacks Except Solomon isn’t as good

It’s easy to look at the result of Von’s career in Buffalo and say this move was a bust - but the process was solid. It all fell apart when he blew his ACL. When Von was active before Thanksgiving 2022, the defense was getting home with 4 and looked great. If you’re someone who wants a Trey Henrickson this season, you can’t criticize this move. No you don’t - go watch the last Baltimore TD drive. You don’t want Solomon getting those reps

Of course, but when he came back he didn’t look overly impressive

I did not think Brown did anything overly impressive since returning this season. He was fine but didn’t look like an $11M WR. Maybe it was injury related?